DP 9 impressions and issues thread

[Guitar Gaz]

I don't use comping as I think its less flexible for my needs - I do use separating takes into separate tracks (which is great) and then I comp on the sequence editor by listening to each track/take, making a separate soundbite by highlighting the section I like and a shortcut key command to produce a new soundbite, and moving these to a blank track - but I am not tied by the comping function of where those sections go in the new comped track which defaults to where they are in the original take - with separate soundbites I can move them anywhere once I have assembled all the bits of takes I like. So I find comping less easy to use than my method.

As for MIDI Mute - I tried to use it the other day just to see what it did and I couldn't get it to work - must have been doing something wrong. But no matter as I don't think I have ever felt the need for this function anyway.

What I am finding with DP9 is I am getting things done - and I have started using my Korg NanoKontrol for mixing as the fader function is great - I have got used to the fact that the transport controls are never going to work in any useful way - having faders and panning controls working is really quite good enough and very useful - so the Attach controllers command in the Mixer mini menu is great (albeit it has been there for years). Now Full Screen Mode is working I have pretty much everything I need.

I use Reason for sounds and samples but I am also now finding that "printing" the Reason sounds to audio is liberating and like working with the old analog style multi track. I can then quit Reason to save on CPU power - and let's face it, if I really need a different sound or want to change the MIDI I can always fire it up again - but it's good to make decisions and usually I stick with the original sounds and MIDI arrangements anyway as I worked on those for a long time in the composition phase of a song.

So DP9 is working well for me - as did DP7 and 8 - and Pitch editing in the Sequence editing is still awesome. Some of the bells and whistles of added extras don't do much for me but the basics are right and those seem to be getting better.

[bayswater]

Sounds like it's just a graphic glitch and it's not broken if I'm reading this correctly.

The undo is working, but the screen update is not completed. Even so, this needs fixing. it's difficult to do the next edit when the old one is still showing.

[Robert Randolph]

So has any one posted a Techlink about this bug? I will do it if not.

Here's an animated gif of the bug. Note the undo window's undo position.




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Forum software cuts off the undo window for me, so please click through to the full-size image.

[mhschmieder]

This is a followup to my posting of 16 July. I don't have time to read the thread or the forum right now, so maybe what I'm going to say is redundant, but even if so, it should help correlate issues later on.

I am still working too hard to do much exploration, but what I am observing is that the selection wiper in Sequence View makes the waveforms visible as you drag over them.

So, I think the problems I am facing with invisible waveforms are related to automation lanes (as I theorized earlier) or some new preference that I couldn't find in the preferences window but which might possibly be a menu check box that I also still have found (though I searched).

Understanding the problem can help find the solution, which is why I am posting even if someone else has already cleared this issue up (in what likely is another context).

I'll delete this post later if it ends up being unnecessary.

Mostly, I wanted to provide more info as it might help others to track down how to clear it up, as well as alleviate worries people might have who haven't yet decided whether to do the upgrade.

[mhschmieder]

I did read this final page, however, as it's short. I do what Guitar Gaz does, as comping didn't help my workflow and actually seemed more complicated and less direct than what he does (which is exactly what I do; though sometimes I paste a snippet into an existing take when it's isolated and then do cross-fades).

I have not tried Track Comping again recently, so don't know if there are issues in DP9. If there's something specific that someone is seeing, I can try to reproduce so we can see if it is system-sensitive in its behaviour.

[bayswater]

So has any one posted a Techlink about this bug? I will do it if not.

Here's an animated gif of the bug. Note the undo window's undo position.

I think this is the same problem reported by TDH using the comp tool to divide a take. (The comp tool turns into the cut tool when you Alt-Click to insert a division.) But in fact, the UNDO is working, but the full screen update is not working and showing the UNDO. In the case of the Take and Comp tracks, you can verify this: 1. Do a divide/cut. 2. UNDO. 3. Scroll screen right. 4. Scroll screen left. The Divide/Comp is gone.

I did not report the Comp bug.

[Robert Randolph]

So has any one posted a Techlink about this bug? I will do it if not.

Here's an animated gif of the bug. Note the undo window's undo position.

I think this is the same problem reported by TDH using the comp tool to divide a take. (The comp tool turns into the cut tool when you Alt-Click to insert a division.) But in fact, the UNDO is working, but the full screen update is not working and showing the UNDO. In the case of the Take and Comp tracks, you can verify this: 1. Do a divide/cut. 2. UNDO. 3. Scroll screen right. 4. Scroll screen left. The Divide/Comp is gone.

I did not report the Comp bug.

Scrolling does not remove the split for me. Only the second undo does.

I just submitted a detailed techlink of the issue.

[bayswater]

Scrolling does not remove the split for me. Only the second undo does.

I just submitted a detailed techlink of the issue.

Did you mention the similar issue with Take tracks? If not, I'll submit another report on that.

[Robert Randolph]

Scrolling does not remove the split for me. Only the second undo does.

I just submitted a detailed techlink of the issue.

Did you mention the similar issue with Take tracks? If not, I'll submit another report on that.

I don't think so, what was the other issue? I appear to be a bit confused here.

[bayswater]

See my post a screen or so up. A bug with the same description appears with Comps and Take tracks, described in thread by TDH, except the Undo is working, just the screen update isn't. Hitting UNDO twice has the same effect. I have to think these two are related in some way.

[Robert Randolph]

See my post a screen or so up. A bug with the same description appears with Comps and Take tracks, described in thread by TDH, except the Undo is working, just the screen update isn't. Hitting UNDO twice has the same effect. I have to think these two are related in some way.

What I posted is with comps and take tracks.

I think maybe we're talking about 2 manifestations of the same bug.

[bayswater]

See my post a screen or so up. A bug with the same description appears with Comps and Take tracks, described in thread by TDH, except the Undo is working, just the screen update isn't. Hitting UNDO twice has the same effect. I have to think these two are related in some way.

What I posted is with comps and take tracks.

I think maybe we're talking about 2 manifestations of the same bug.

Yes, probably. SInce you've reported I won't. I have a few other minor bugs I'll post at MOTU.

[Guitar Gaz]

What I am finding with DP9 is I am getting things done - and I have started using my Korg NanoKontrol for mixing as the fader function is great - I have got used to the fact that the transport controls are never going to work in any useful way

I take it back - the Transport controls on the NanoKontrol now work perfectly - a little fiddly at first to change the CC numbers issued by the Nano, but once set up in the Commands window the Transport Controls now work perfectly including Rewind, Fast Forward, and Record. I suspect that DP9 has fixed something, or OSX, or maybe I just wasn't doing it right. But it's like getting a new piece of gear.

[tommymandel]

See my post a screen or so up. A bug with the same description appears with Comps and Take tracks, described in thread by TDH, except the Undo is working, just the screen update isn't. Hitting UNDO twice has the same effect. I have to think these two are related in some way.

You're aware (as I wasn't until recently) that the Undo function has changed in DP9, "to be more consistent with other apps' undo behavior."?

[bayswater]

Yes, we're using the Undo History which functions as it always has. It's the Undo key bindings that have changed, not the basic function.