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they fixed some of the sloppy unfinished GUI stuff too!



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THANK YOU DAVE!!!!!

dpdan wrote:they fixed some of the sloppy unfinished GUI stuff too!


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?? That wasn't on purpose ??

bayswater, I was complimenting MOTU on fixing what was unfinished in the release of DP 6.0 and 6.01.

this is what it looked like before they finished it.

I must admit that I much, much prefer the task window from DP 5:



I like the Mac buttons on the new one, but I really prefer the 3D LED display that we used to have. The new one is kind of tacky.

I totally agree, but it is the un-necessary things like this that slow down a project from
opening I suppose, especially on a system that is not up to current Apple specs.

Much of the GUI in DP6 is not nearly as elegant as DP5, but I think MOTU knows that,
and believes that users much prefer efficiency than cuteness.
Dan

some before and after differences...

dpdan wrote:I totally agree, but it is the un-necessary things like this that slow down a project from
opening I suppose, especially on a system not up to current specs.

Well... for the record, I had to launch a project 3 times in order to capture that image properly (because it went from left to right so fast).

So for the few milliseconds that might be saved by dumbing down the graphics, they have compromised the pleasure that we might experience when opening a project. I'd rather wait an extra second (or two even) and actually like what I am seeing, than to cringe every time I look at that task window. I wish I was a "bigger person", but every time I see it, I have a reaction and have to remind myself discard my negative thoughts and just go with it... so it is the inefficiency of my own brain (at going through this process regularly) that is of more concern to me.

Sorry if I seem like a complainer. I don't mean to be... but this is just my honest reaction to it. I will try to learn to love it, but it is going to take some work.

In all the examples Dan posted, I prefer the DP 5 versions.

Notice how the DP 6 wiper bar is thinner than in DP 5. To me that's not a matter of aesthetic taste - it's actually harder to see in DP 6. Things like this add up - I'm another one who hates the new mixer faders and the blue meters. In fact, I removed DP6 from my main computer, reintalled DP5, and just test DP 6 on my laptop. It wasn't just the aesthetics - DP 6 was crashing a lot too...

It seems 6.02 pretty much reacts the same for me - the same amount of crashes and CPU usage.

Wow, looking at DP 5, there were sure some nice looking aspects to it. Why reinvent the wheel (pre-rendering aside, is CPU usage that much better in 6 with less 3d stuff?).

On the other hand, I can't live without the colored waveforms in 6 now, and thanks to the mods, life is ok. It's just them embarrassing crashes (mostly it's every 5 minutes or so, when I hit stop - any way - after taking audio. I'll start a tech link about this soon).

I can live without leveller and proverb (after demoing Stillwell stuff, these are the plugs to have).

dpdan wrote:bayswater, I was complimenting MOTU on fixing what was unfinished in the release of DP 6.0 and 6.01.

this is what it looked like before they finished it.

Yes, I knew what you were saying. I thought they were being 'arty', and did it on purpose. Hard to think they created that by accident.

dpdan wrote:I totally agree, but it is the un-necessary things like this that slow down a project from
opening I suppose, especially on a system that is not up to current Apple specs.

Much of the GUI in DP6 is not nearly as elegant as DP5, but I think MOTU knows that,
and believes that users much prefer efficiency than cuteness.
Dan

It would also speed up their development cycles and reduce the number of errors they have to deal with in testing because they can use a lot of stock OSX stuff.

Hello,

A couple quick questions for compatibility in DP 6.02...

1) Does anyone have the Firewire TC Powercore running successfully with 6.02?

2) Is Waves 6 working well with 6.02?

3) Have Motu given us an option to have the Bus Levels default to OFF instead of Unity?

Thanks for those who may have these things sorted already,
Rainmaker

I am enthused - I wasn't working at all with 6.01 but 6.02 seems rock solid and i probably won't go back to 5.13.

The GUI stuff never bothers me that much I just get used to it.

I am doing a project with
24 mono tracks, 11 stereo tracks, 1 altiverb, 1 psp nitro , 2 motu pro verbs, 18 UA2 1073's, 11 Neve 88's, 2-1176's, 3-LA3's, Addictive drums, stylus, predator, octopus, albino 3, 3 instances of play, 2 steinberg virtual guitarists, and 1 mach V II

the performance meter is about 1/4 of the way across at rest and during playback.

i have been editing alot of audio soundbites all day, and tweaking plug ins, which used to give me alot of trouble and it has been rock solid, except for one time the DP menu bar just disappeared and I had to restart.

I have not repaired permissions and I have also been using 5.13 today as well.

willheim, You have the same machine as me. Let me know if you experience crashes on MIDI edit in 6.0.2 any time. PM me.

Thanks.

The new GUI is amazing, and dramatically speeds up the opening of projects as well as giving an immediate and clear overview of workflow and project flow right off the bat. I can't believe people are yearning for the old way, which was clunky and obtuse with the unnecessary and slow "3D GUI" look and feel.

mhschmieder wrote:The new GUI is amazing, and dramatically speeds up the opening of projects as well as giving an immediate and clear overview of workflow and project flow right off the bat. I can't believe people are yearning for the old way, which was clunky and obtuse with the unnecessary and slow "3D GUI" look and feel.

On what basis are making this claim that speed increases are due to the simplfied GUI? If a simpler GUI really helped, don't you think MOTU would have done that long ago, when computers were much less powerful? This just doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not a programmer. A lot of the interface elements are just little graphics files, and I can't imagine that a 3d look takes significantly more processing power to display.

I thought that efficiency increases in DP 6 were largely due to it being rewritten from the ground up in Cocoa, the native OS X programming interface, where DP 5 was based on Carbon, which was for apps that ran in both OS X and OS 9.