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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Except adding reverb doesn't change you eye/hand coordination skills. You still have to play the notes as fast as the music requires.
I think the point was we're all "cheating" to some extent when we alter a performance electronically to get a result otherwise impossible. It doesn't necessarily mean the player can't perform well when we use our techniques to enhance things for effect.
I'll say what's been said several times already: this isn't about musicianship or lack thereof. There could be exceptions, but the bulk of the arguments for these "tricks" haven't pertained to dealing with incompetencies, just different ways to gets sounds or do practical time-alignment tasks.
I feel like an idiot for posting on this topic again. I really should be figuring out how to make money.
-Ian
Reverb is naturally created in, and by physically natural properties... sound can't be created in a vacuum and the environment is just as much a part of the sound as the source so... varispeed IMHO is more of an effect than a naturally caused physic byproduct of our world...
but to each his own.
i7user wrote:
Reverb is naturally created in, and by physically natural properties... sound can't be created in a vacuum and the environment is just as much a part of the sound as the source so... varispeed IMHO is more of an effect than a naturally caused physic byproduct of our world...
but to each his own.
Well, the last time I heard a fire engine roaring past, it sounded like varispeed to me, but I could have been mistaken..
i7user wrote:
Reverb is naturally created in, and by physically natural properties... sound can't be created in a vacuum and the environment is just as much a part of the sound as the source so... varispeed IMHO is more of an effect than a naturally caused physic byproduct of our world...
but to each his own.
Well, the last time I heard a fire engine roaring past, it sounded like varispeed to me, but I could have been mistaken..
Oh yeah... the doppler effect. I haven't heard many singers or performers run by me lately while on stage but good point anyway.
i7user wrote:
Reverb is naturally created in, and by physically natural properties... sound can't be created in a vacuum and the environment is just as much a part of the sound as the source so... varispeed IMHO is more of an effect than a naturally caused physic byproduct of our world...
but to each his own.
Well, the last time I heard a fire engine roaring past, it sounded like varispeed to me, but I could have been mistaken..
Oh yeah... the doppler effect. I haven't heard many singers or performers run by me lately while on stage but good point anyway.
And thanks for reminding me of this delightful thread. I read my last reply, having completely forgotten it, and I can't for the life of me figure out what I meant by "refer to Oscar Wilde's "Critic as Artist". While we continue to wait for Vari-speed in DP, there is also his "Salomé" play. I don't recommend it because of any relation to our DAW issues.
Recording different tracks of audio in separate passes is cheating.
Punching in/out to fix something is cheating.
Using MIDI to manipulate notes in any way is cheating.
If you can't do it all perfectly in one pass - you're just no good and shouldn't be allowed to make or record music.
Sorry but in the recording studio, anything is fair game. I can't hardly comprehend any position that sets rigid limits to what's acceptable in ART. What are we - all robot and clones now? Try some progress, creativity and invention. BRING ON THE VARI-SPEED. In this case it's not even progress - it's going backwards 30 years or so to recapture a classic recording technique and certain "sound" that's hard to re-create digitally.
A frightening amount of blather on this thread, LOL. Just a few links/recommendations to plugs that do it in DP would be helpful....
MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019) 2.3 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9 16 GB RAM OSX 12.7.1 Monterey
UAD Apollo Quad, some Waves, Soundtoys, Digital Performer 11.34, Reason 13, iZotope 11, and lots of real instruments to play.
As undoubtedly noted previously somewhere in this thread, the real way to do it is still available... slave to a variable speed clock, like an old ADAT.
funkyfreddy wrote:A frightening amount of blather on this thread, LOL. Just a few links/recommendations to plugs that do it in DP would be helpful....
Blather.. is that like blabber? One can type into a google search "varispeed plugins" and find what's available. MOTU will implement this DSP process eventually... whether most people NEED it or not.
You can get varispeed FX on individual tracks/soundbites using the 'spectral effects' function.
It requires a little bit of maths though.
ie. to double the speed and go an octave higher, you enter:
pitch: +12 semitones
formants: +12 semitones
tempo: +100%
an octave lower/ half speed is: -12, -12, -50%
Obviously anything more complicated than an octave is going to require a calculator.
It sounds fairly clean to me, ie. without those pitch-shift artifacts inherent in normal digital pitch-shifting - haven't done any thorough testing though.
DP 9.52 Mac Pro 10.14.6 RME fireface800. Sibelius. Dorico 4
