How many folks are using DP Mixerless?

[Pappy725]

Ah yes, 'the cord pool'. Much like the gene pool, only shallower!

Pap

[buzzsmith]

You mean like this?



2 years ago when I switched over to a long overdue reconfiguration.

This was taken right after I pulled every wire getting ready to re-cable, etc.

Mixer is now gone...well, technically it's still in the house in a spare room.

Buzzy

[James Steele]

Get the three mixes, blind listen to them into a trustful control room and tell me if they sound the same

Hmmm... maybe not but my bank account looks better. If you don't have the dough for the very high quality mixers or summing gear, you're better of ITB.

Money? Who needs money?
I understand what you say James, but a decent summing box starts from $1500, which is not like giving away an arm and a leg. I'm sure you'd enjoy a lot, especially if you're one of those guy into the tough rock guitar type of music … aren't you?

Which box is that? Arent you still summing stereo stems, yes? So summing is still something of a compromise isn't it, because it's sort of "partial summing?" I guess it depends on number of inputs, etc. on the summing box?

[danworks]

Which box is that? Arent you still summing stereo stems, yes? So summing is still something of a compromise isn't it, because it's sort of "partial summing?" I guess it depends on number of inputs, etc. on the summing box?

Usually a summing box has 8 stereo input (16 channels). The one I use (SUMO) has the possibility to mono-ize channel 1-2 & 3-4. Anyway with 8 stereo I usually splits instruments by family this way:
1 mono lead vocal, 2 mono bass,
3-4 acoustic guitars,
5-6 electric guitars,
7-8 keyboard n stuff,
9-10 drums perc loop etc,
11-12 orchestra (if any),
13-14 sound fx-pad-atmo (if any),
15-16 reverb, delay, echo and whatever else return.

I don't want convince anybody but it simply works very well

[wylie1]

I've got an issue with Central Station.
I've plugged in the CS via SPDIF from my 2408mk3.
When I booted everything up to my surprise audio was passing through the CS I thought I would have to make some kind of change in the 2408 before this would happen.
The issues are.
There are no meter lights on the CS and looking at the wiring diagram it looks like if there audio there should be lights.
Also the output from the CS is week compared to my old board,but that my be normal I don't know.
And theres a POP in one of the headphone outputs when you turn the volume control.
I'm thinking I've got a bad unit here.
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[Tonio]

eeww, that don't sound good.

Let us know the outcome please.

T

[James Steele]

I've got an issue with Central Station.
I've plugged in the CS via SPDIF from my 2408mk3.
When I booted everything up to my surprise audio was passing through the CS I thought I would have to make some kind of change in the 2408 before this would happen.
The issues are.
There are no meter lights on the CS and looking at the wiring diagram it looks like if there audio there should be lights.
Also the output from the CS is week compared to my old board,but that my be normal I don't know.
And theres a POP in one of the headphone outputs when you turn the volume control.
I'm thinking I've got a bad unit here.
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Sounds like you better call Presonus and ask them what's up. That doesn't sound right. You should at least have meters going. I don't have S/PDIF on my HD192, so I'm connected to it via analog inputs. Also note there are trim pots on the front of the unit I believe for the output level to your monitors, so check that. But you definitely should call Presonus and perhaps get a return authorization.

[James Steele]

Which box is that? Arent you still summing stereo stems, yes? So summing is still something of a compromise isn't it, because it's sort of "partial summing?" I guess it depends on number of inputs, etc. on the summing box?

Usually a summing box has 8 stereo input (16 channels). The one I use (SUMO) has the possibility to mono-ize channel 1-2 & 3-4. Anyway with 8 stereo I usually splits instruments by family this way:
1 mono lead vocal, 2 mono bass,
3-4 acoustic guitars,
5-6 electric guitars,
7-8 keyboard n stuff,
9-10 drums perc loop etc,
11-12 orchestra (if any),
13-14 sound fx-pad-atmo (if any),
15-16 reverb, delay, echo and whatever else return.

I don't want convince anybody but it simply works very well

Thanks for the explanation. So in essence it's not exactly duplicating an analog mixer, because there is *some* in the box mixing still going on within your stereo "subgroups" as it were. I would imagine the separate reverb return makes a big difference though. Interesting!

[Tonio]

In relation to CUEMIX, where are you folks setting the input trims in cuemix?
Why would the trim make a difference of actual AD input amplitude?

e.g. while enabling cuemix, if I move the input trim knob, it effects the converter input level too.
Does cuemix input have a unity gain setting, or is it a matter of gain stage calibration?


T

[danworks]

Which box is that? Arent you still summing stereo stems, yes? So summing is still something of a compromise isn't it, because it's sort of "partial summing?" I guess it depends on number of inputs, etc. on the summing box?

Usually a summing box has 8 stereo input (16 channels). The one I use (SUMO) has the possibility to mono-ize channel 1-2 & 3-4. Anyway with 8 stereo I usually splits instruments by family this way:
1 mono lead vocal, 2 mono bass,
3-4 acoustic guitars,
5-6 electric guitars,
7-8 keyboard n stuff,
9-10 drums perc loop etc,
11-12 orchestra (if any),
13-14 sound fx-pad-atmo (if any),
15-16 reverb, delay, echo and whatever else return.

I don't want convince anybody but it simply works very well

Thanks for the explanation. So in essence it's not exactly duplicating an analog mixer, because there is *some* in the box mixing still going on within your stereo "subgroups" as it were. I would imagine the separate reverb return makes a big difference though. Interesting!

Obviously al the mixing movements, automation 'n stuff are done within DP. But then everything goes to the summing box. It's just like having a 16 channel analog mixer with faders set at 0db, with a very big headroom for each instruments family. You can push your level as much as you want, being "almost" without limits cos everything is not going through only two digital outputs (in the box) but split through 8 stereo busses.

[wylie1]

eeww, that don't sound good.

Let us know the outcome please.

T

I was on the phone with Sweetwater yesterday is sounds like a bum unit.
My rep is getting back today.
I the mean time I finally got everything powered up.
I can't believe how much the stereo/phantom image has improved I had no idea I was missing that much.

[wylie1]

Can someone out there give me any tips on hooking up a Presonus Digimax FS
to a 2408mk3.
Cabling will be ADAT i/o and BNC for word clock.
Should the FS be the master or the slave?
What setting do I have to change in DP7?

[buzzsmith]

Progress report:

I've had about 3 or 4 sessions since reconfiguring and going mixerless. Getting used to the new work flow and Cue Mix and virtual routing.

So far, everything is cool.

The unusual thing (to me) is that at least 2 clients and their musicians, friends, etc. who have been here many times before didn't even notice! (I guess that's good in a way.)

I mean there's at least 40 sq. ft. more moving about area and a reasonably sized mixer is gone, and I'm facing 90º different than before.

I'm just sayin'...

Buzzy

[wylie1]

Are you using Cuemix to handle your external verb?
I've still got to figure that out.

[buzzsmith]

Are you using Cuemix to handle your external verb?
I've still got to figure that out.

Yes.
The "trick" is to get the levels and sends right so that the live mic and the playback verb are about the same. Live mic uses CueMix, playback uses the send on the Mixing Board. Currently I don't plan on mixing with an external 'verb.

If you back up in this thread, both Shooshie and Tim, I think, gave a pretty detailed description of how they do it.

Buzzy