high quality reverb

[zandurian]

<Quote>: A guitarist who can't play piano is useless, while sitting at the piano.
A pianist holding a guitar, and can't play it is equally useless.
If you can't make the Everb in DP sound good,
guess what... ________________________

It's ALMOST useless for sure - Even the original (late 80's) 12bit alesis MIDI-verb sounded about 10 times as lush as the DP everb (and was much more versitle)

[studiodog]

And just to make sure that everyone on this board hates me...

DP has great FX. DO NOT USE the PRESETS.

Even Magic Dave has confessed his sin, HE did the Everb presets.. which kind of suck... Guess what...

DON'T use presets, Modify the DAMN thing to sound how U want it to....

Yes, I'm drruunnkk.... Thank God 4 the Music Business....

Humans r the strangest people ...

[inukshuk]

Originally posted by draudio2u:
MasterVerb looks interesting but anyone out there running it at double speed- 88.2?

Powercore would be great as I stated, but TC themselves mentioned I should stay away due to firewire issues they are having.

Unfortunately Altiverb is out of my budget.

THE BIG QUESTION: How are you dealing with latency if you use an external effect box via analog lines? I think this is what I am ultiimately going to have to do - rent a 480 or 960...

cheers

Masterverb is a nice reverb, but I don't understand why you were told by tc that they have firewire issues?? I've got the firewire powercore and no problems at all? It works great and love all the options availlable. I couldn't be without it.
Do you have other firewire devices hooked up?

[chrispick]

Originally posted by studio dog:
And just to make sure that everyone on this board hates me...

DP has great FX. DO NOT USE the PRESETS.

Even Magic Dave has confessed his sin, HE did the Everb presets.. which kind of suck... Guess what...

DON'T use presets, Modify the DAMN thing to sound how U want it to....

Yes, I'm drruunnkk.... Thank God 4 the Music Business....

Humans r the strangest people ...

Hey, we gots nothing but love for ya, brotha.

I agree that you can tweak DP plugs to sound better than their presets would have you believe. I still use them. But I've found a lot of dedicated third-party plugs to be more tweakable and ship with nice presets and sound sweeter. Gotta dig that.

<small>[ June 13, 2005, 02:15 AM: Message edited by: heavypick ]</small>

[draudio2u]

Masterverb is a nice reverb, but I don't understand why you were told by tc that they have firewire issues?? I've got the firewire powercore and no problems at all? It works great and love all the options availlable. I couldn't be without it.
Do you have other firewire devices hooked up?

Yes. They state that if youa re running firewire harddrives on the same chain, you will run into serious problems. This is made worse if your whole system is running single chain firewire - mine Powerbook 1.5mHz, 896HD, firewire GlyphGT. I though that would be the end all to my problems as well as I know it sounds good.

- Still, anyone have a solution for running external reverb via analog lines - dealing with latency?

OH, and not to put wind into my own sail Studio Dog, but I'll put my wall of Grammy's up against your poop anytime. The reason I state the reverb that comes bundled with DP is useless is because I am not just slapping on some ambience to make it phat, I need realism and no matter how you tweak them, it still sound artificial. Go rent a 960 and hear what reverb is supposed to sound like.

cheers all.

[tim57var]

I think I can answer your question about running ext reverbs. I use a TC System 6000 hooked up to my 2408 MKIII. I have an Alesis AI4 converting the lightpipe to AES/EBU. The returns from the reverb are monitored through cue mix (no latency). I send to it through the 2408 - so I can actually have reverb on synths I am monitoring through cue mix as well as audio tracks - just set up audio bundles that send to the unit, and use them as fx sends in the mixer window. For me, it's the best thing, except you can't save verb presets in your DP project. I believe TC makes a hardware unit (M4000?) that's the same engine as mine - I've had the M3000 - this is WAY better.

[midilance]

And you know the Apple Effects plug-in reverb is actually not bad at all if you mess with it a little.

[chrispick]

Originally posted by draudio2u:

Masterverb is a nice reverb, but I don't understand why you were told by tc that they have firewire issues?? I've got the firewire powercore and no problems at all? It works great and love all the options availlable. I couldn't be without it.
Do you have other firewire devices hooked up?

Yes. They state that if youa re running firewire harddrives on the same chain, you will run into serious problems. This is made worse if your whole system is running single chain firewire - mine Powerbook 1.5mHz, 896HD, firewire GlyphGT. I though that would be the end all to my problems as well as I know it sounds good.

- Still, anyone have a solution for running external reverb via analog lines - dealing with latency?

OH, and not to put wind into my own sail Studio Dog, but I'll put my wall of Grammy's up against your poop anytime. The reason I state the reverb that comes bundled with DP is useless is because I am not just slapping on some ambience to make it phat, I need realism and no matter how you tweak them, it still sound artificial. Go rent a 960 and hear what reverb is supposed to sound like.

cheers all.

You have a wall of Grammys and Altiverb is beyond your budget?

Honestly, it's the most space-realistic reverb I've heard outside of miking a real room. And it's pretty flexible -- and it ships with a number of rackmount digital reverb unit emulations.

Read up and check out its video demo:

all about Altiverb

They have a demo you can download too.

Also to consider: Some folks using outboard reverbs welcome the inherent latency since it serves as a built-in early delay. It's true.

<small>[ June 13, 2005, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: heavypick ]</small>

[draudio2u]

You have a wall of Grammys and Altiverb is beyond your budget?

Yeah, I know as most people are shocked to come over to a small loft space here across from New York and see the awards, the discography and then wonder why I can't afford more... That's the business - especially classical. But the studio I work from - or shall I say get taken from, has everything under the sun and then some... but this is not my point.

Yes, the inherent delay may make for a good predelay, but I like having control over this time - especially since I do mostly classical. So I need to be able to delay the mix out so it syncs with the returns from the reverb mixed in. I am fairly new to DP so I don't know if this is possible.

Altiverb is not out of my sights yet....

[studiodog]

I made him use the word POOP !!

HeHeHE....

[magicd]

Yes I did write many of the original presets for eVerb.

In my opinion, most of the presets I did are way too bright. It is subjective of course, but most of those presets will sound better just by turning down the high frequency a bit.

The eVerb provides early reflections and low/high tails. The early reflections are the initial "splatter" that happens in real life. For some uses, early reflections are pleasant. For other uses they can get in the way. For example, like the eVerb on vocals, but I tend to use the Plate verb (which does not use early reflections) for drums.
In my experience, putting an eq after any reverb will vastly expand the sounds you can get. Try it.

Magic Dave

[studiodog]

So they aren't useless, shweet...

Love ya Magic D

[draudio2u]

Magic Dave,

I don't mean to critique your work, I actually do use the everb with my own presets as it should be with all users. Personally I am just spoiled were I work "for the man". They have 960's, 6000's etc. I would like to get as close to this without spending a 1000% more than I can afford.
BTW. I do like the graphical interface of the "expanded" version.

Question: Is it possible to mold a patch translating the perameters from say a Lexicon 480 into eVerbs? If there was a trick to this, I would start loading up all of my favorite ones tonight

Thanks for all of your support Dave.

[magicd]

I'm not an expert on lexicon reverbs (although I am a fan). My understanding is that Lexicons use some sort of programming that changes reverb characteristics over time. Apparently you can't sample a Lexicon and get exactly the same sound (Lexicon experts please speak up).
New presets have been added to the eVerb since it's original release. Next To The Cello is a very nice lexicon-ish sound. I use Hall With Drapes a great deal. To my ear the Lexicon presets are generally on the dark side.. let me rephrase that! To my ear Lexicon presets are not very bright. Wait! what I mean to say is roll the high frequency off on any eVerb preset and it will sound more "expensive".

Dave

Dave

[Henry Robinett]

There are 3 reverbs I use that are very useful. Altiverb is great. Out of your budget. If that's out of your budget I don't think you're going ot find any useful reverbs with out renting and printing of course. I own a Lexicon PCM91 I use and print all the time. The other one is the UAD-1 EMT Plate 140. Almost all of them find it to my mixes. I haven't found any other software reverbs I can stand. I know the 91 is not software . . .