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I disagree that a better "FREEZE" function would do the job. Everybody works different, but for me, I'm constantly changing stuff, making this sound work better with this sound, etc. And, usually when I start out on a song, the intro and first verse are where I bring in all the sounds, and I get that really happenin' before I move on to the rest of the song. I couldn't freeze at that point, not having the song finished. So, I really think it's true; multiple G5s is the only thing that's going to keep the "walls" from going up. I definitely am running into walls, and I hate it.

If we get into discussion about how to do 2 computers, there was a thread recently which went into quite a bit of detail on it.

jayman

I've been running 3 G5s , for 1 1/2 months now with very few problems. Now with the Fiberoptic technology the way it is,
conductivity in SuperNode...... just rocks the house!!!!!!!
I emailed Apple , and they assured me i'd be able to
run at lest 4 ports. With latency cascading only 7 milli secs
per Machine. So lets keep our chin up , the future is bright.

Originally posted by Rush909:
One machine is not enough to get anything professional done if you are hitting walls... with time constraints, creative flow, crunch time... I don't want to be hitting any walls... and with one G5, the walls get hit really early for me.. on certain projetcs... Anything with a lot of VIs and you are pretty much out of luck with DP...

This is obsurd. A G5 and DP can do infinitely more than anyone could do 5 - 10 years ago. Wow, can you imagine rewinding tape (or threading tape, for that matter), or only having 24 tracks, or only having one boutique EQ or comp you had to print to get another "instance"... get some perspective dude! Some of the best records of all time were recorded live to wax (mono), or 4 or 8 track. To call them unprofessional is, well, flat out stupid. Tons of professional recordings have been and are being done with technological limitations. Real professional work is not being without limitations, but creatively working within the limitations and producing stellar results.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for technological advances, but that has no bearing on my ability to do professional work. If you have to have 50 VIs with 30Gb samples instantly accessible at the drop of a hat on one machine, your expectations are ridiculous. Try to produce that in hardware and you'd have a machine room the size of your house and hundreds of thousands of dollars invested.

Boy, we've become a bunch of spoiled brats. Boundaries are the seeds of creativity, not insurmountable walls that limit our abilities to produce professional results.

wow... 3 G5... I would love to hear some of your productions!!!! I feel I need 2 G5 and I thought I was into heavy arrangments ... seriously... would love to hear some of your Triple-G5 tracks must be heavy orchestral stuff!

best

r.

Originally posted by Splinter:

Boy, we've become a bunch of spoiled brats. Boundaries are the seeds of creativity, not insurmountable walls that limit our abilities to produce professional results.

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To each their own splinter... tell me that again when my G5 is crawling and I have 1-2 days to deliver a Remix including Club, Dub, Radio... you try waiting 10 minutes for each VI to bounce...

walk a mile in my shoes first...

r.

Originally posted by Jayman:
I disagree that a better "FREEZE" function would do the job. Everybody works different, but for me, I'm constantly changing stuff, making this sound work better with this sound, etc. And, usually when I start out on a song, the intro and first verse are where I bring in all the sounds, and I get that really happenin' before I move on to the rest of the song. I couldn't freeze at that point, not having the song finished. So, I really think it's true; multiple G5s is the only thing that's going to keep the "walls" from going up. I definitely am running into walls, and I hate it.

If we get into discussion about how to do 2 computers, there was a thread recently which went into quite a bit of detail on it.

jayman

hey Jayman... you really should try the logic Freeze function... it's quite amazing to see it work... you could at anytime decide to change something and simply click unfreeze... make your changes, click freeze again and before you know it you are back in action... it's really like magic... you still have control over volume, pan, FX sends etc... you just need to unfreeze to EQ or modify the line... it's so streamlined that you can actually do what you mention without breaking the creative flow...

r.

I'm with you Rush909. It's not about being spoiled brats. It's about each of us having different demands depending on what kind of music we're doing, and how we go about making the music. There's nothing wrong with saying that your current setup doesn't get the job done. There are plenty here who feel the same way.

Slave, could you please go into a little more detail about your system? I have never heard of this supernode thing you speak of. And fiberoptic stuff. Could you detail your system and how you're pulling this off.... with DP? Many thanks in advance!

Jayman

HEY!

We all are right about this •••• and everyone has the right to his or her standards for making records.

I agree with all of you.. Hows that for politicall ass kissing?!

BTW. I have a 16 track 2" Ampex in the garage and need a little help getting it online as a slave. Any techs out there?

Of course we're spoiled. Brats? I dunno about that. I'm not too bratty unless you provoke me. But definitely spoiled. Hey, the technology is so close, why not utilize it? I know it gets a little crazy sometimes. I'm sure in 5 years some folks are going to be synthesizing the actual players of the orchestra, assigning them dispositions, and even talking about the cleavage on that harpist in Kontakt XX. But I'll be happy just to get a Steinway D in a little box. Is that really spoiling me? No, if you REALLY want to spoil me, just give me a 9 foot Steinway, complete with MIDI record and playback retrofitted to it, and stand back and let me work!

But for now, a G4 or G5 or G6 or whatever will just have to do the trick. And if it takes two of them... so be it.

Shooshie

BTW. I have a 16 track 2" Ampex in the garage and need a little help getting it online as a slave. Any techs out there?


Howz about striping one of the tracks with LTC Timecode
and locking to DP (or Nuendo) that way?

It doesn't have to be two G5's. I use a PC running V-stack for VI's and it works fine. I connect the PC's Delta 1010 audio/MIDI interface to my G5 and DP via MIDI, just like any hardware synth.
Actually I recommend a PC over a second G5 because there is so much more available for Windows as far as VI's and effects.

It just boils down to whether you have the money or not to get what you want/need. But if you can afford it, then a second fast computer for VI's is a total no-brainer IMO. My sympathies go out to those trying to get Freeze/V-racks/Rewire/multiple audio apps working together on one computer. With a second or third machine, you don't have to necessarily deal with those issues, and that's a real time and sanity saver.

That said, despite the fact that I have almost every VI and plug-in known to man, it hasn't necessarily made me a better songwriter. As a matter of fact, I regularly use around 1/4 of the VI's I own. So I really believe that having all the VI's you can want or think you need isn 't going to necessarily increase your chances of getting a hit record. That's up to your own creativity with what you have.

Sgt. Pepper's was recorded on a four-track analog machine. I keep going back to that fact when I start to think that I might need another VI or my computer isn't fast enough.

<small>[ July 25, 2005, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: Dave Polich ]</small>

Sgt. Pepper's was recorded on a four-track analog machine. I keep going back to that fact when I start to think that I might need another VI or my computer isn't fast enough.

Well said.

As long as software developers keep making software that pushes
the limits of CPUs (or that's just bloated/badly written)
this conversation about fast CPUs will just keep right on
happening.

If two trucks help you haul crap faster than one, and fast crap-hauling is imperative, then you get two trucks.

This is a thread topic?

Originally posted by Dave Polich:
Sgt. Pepper's was recorded on a four-track analog machine. I keep going back to that fact when I start to think that I might need another VI or my computer isn't fast enough.

Like they wouldn't have welcomed an eight-track?

I get your point: It's all about the songs, not the tools. Still, good tools help. Great tools help more.

Originally posted by heavypick:
If two trucks help you haul crap faster than one, and fast crap-hauling is imperative, then you get two trucks.

This is a thread topic?

HP:

I'm totally with you. It is a pain to hit the limitations of your system and I AM sympathetic to that. (Shoot I'd just settle for not having the limitation of constant CPU spikes and crashes!) But I'm NOT sympathetic to all the bitchin' and moanin' about how bad a Dual 2.5 G5 is because I can't run 3 orchestras and 40 tracks of audio simultaneously off the same machine. That's where people need to get perspective. If you have to work that way then accept the limitations of the current technology and buy another G5 or a PC, but otherwise this thread is ridiculous.