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bayswater wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:42 am Makes a fast ramp but not a vertical ramp. (Entering a value doesn't work if the transport is running -- a ramp is produced back to an earlier spot, but clicking the fader does) But it sounds fine. Why a completely vertical ramp anyway? Doesn't that create clicks and pops?

I agree here.

I've had to do this many, many times due to the nature of certain projects.

As Bayswater says here, if you zoom in a bit, drawing a slight ramp works better than a straight ramp, which sounds really unnatural.

It's been a constant question/discussion between film editors and composers/music-editors...is there life before 01:00:00:00!

Or in the past ten years or so; 00:00:00:00.

JSmith1234567 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:41 amIt's been a constant question/discussion between film editors and composers/music-editors...is there life before 01:00:00:00!

Or in the past ten years or so; 00:00:00:00.

We now know life begins at 00:59:58:29. The past ten years have been an illusion.

HCMarkus wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:40 am

JSmith1234567 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:41 amIt's been a constant question/discussion between film editors and composers/music-editors...is there life before 01:00:00:00!

Or in the past ten years or so; 00:00:00:00.

We now know life begins at 00:59:58:29. The past ten years have been an illusion.

Is that what they call "Leap-Frame" every four years?

HCMarkus wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:40 am

JSmith1234567 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:41 amIt's been a constant question/discussion between film editors and composers/music-editors...is there life before 01:00:00:00!

Or in the past ten years or so; 00:00:00:00.

We now know life begins at 00:59:58:29. The past ten years have been an illusion.

Are you having memories of things that happened before you were born?

Hey, just checking back, yes agreed on even slightly ramped changes better than vertical. I just couldn't affect ramp size/rate/whatever with Automation Preferences and that was the point and I guess vertical change seemed like a good example of what I wanted to do. If I said ramp it might have been less clear since DP already ramps and it could have been construed as a question of degree rather than "I want X to happen precisely at time Y by clicking a value in realtime."

Since we're talking about it now - I mix a lot and vertical changes give me a quick, neat structural view of volume (easier to track than adjusting soundbite volume) or are inaudible due to happening during low/silent parts of audio. That said, even during audio I often don't hear any click - I usually am mixing electronic and pop and it's either not clicking or, possibly, is so low that is gets masked by the rest of the track. On the other hand, non-zero soundbite edits minus crossfades are always clicky and must be dealt with, plus (weirdly) vertical, extreme pan changes can be super clicky in low-mid freqs (compared to high-freq soundbite edge/non-crossfade clicks).

Volume changes that aren't more than 2.5dB or so are usually OK for me even if vertical...or I'm going deaf, also possible.

YMMV!