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labman wrote:Has this one been reported in technote?
Yes:
Does it help to post from multiple users, or do you think one post is enough?
Phil
Hey there Phil. Given the egregious of this particular bug, I would say we either all send one. (not that all bugs aren't serious, some prevent workflow.
Or we can all just fly to Cambridge next week!
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labman wrote:Hey there Phil. Given the egregious of this particular bug, I would say we either all send one. (not that all bugs aren't serious, some prevent workflow.
Or we can all just fly to Cambridge next week!
Ok, so I just sent off a TechLink. BTW, I can drive to Cambridge in about an hour.
DP 11.34. 2020 M1 Mac Mini [9,1] (16 Gig RAM), Mac Pro 3GHz 8 core [6,1] (16 Gig RAM), OS 15.3/11.6.2, Lynx Aurora (n) 8tb, MOTU 8pre-es, MOTU M6, MOTU 828, Apogee Rosetta 800, UAD-2 Satellite, a truckload of outboard gear and plug-ins, and a partridge in a pear tree.
If I set faders in a group to various values, and set the VCA to +2, it adds +2 to all the levels in the group. If I save, then reload, it comes back with the VCA at +2 and all the faders in the group at the same levels as they were when the project was saved. If I double click on the VCA, it goes back to zero, and all the faders in the group return to their original values.
What should be happening if this is not right? Don't you want the mix to come up exactly as saved when you load it?
Phil O wrote: BTW, I can drive to Cambridge in about an hour.
nice! Can you dress like Rambo?
AMPGUI themes - Andy rocks!, 3 macs, MacPro 768GB ram, 16core OS12.7.5, DP11.32, all Waves, all SLATE,PSP, IK multimedia & Audioease plugs, all PAlliance, Softube, most all Orchestral Tools, tons of NI VI's all air Spitfire, all Audiobro, all Berlin, EW PLAY, LLizard, MachFive3, Kontakt5, Omnisphere, RMX, LASS, all Soundtoys, Lexicon AU's, melodyne and others I know am forgetting, cause I'm old...Also mucho outboard rigs, MTPs, DTP, antelope WC, and 4 control surfaces with Raven.
Phil O wrote: BTW, I can drive to Cambridge in about an hour.
nice! Can you go and dress like Rambo?
AMPGUI themes - Andy rocks!, 3 macs, MacPro 768GB ram, 16core OS12.7.5, DP11.32, all Waves, all SLATE,PSP, IK multimedia & Audioease plugs, all PAlliance, Softube, most all Orchestral Tools, tons of NI VI's all air Spitfire, all Audiobro, all Berlin, EW PLAY, LLizard, MachFive3, Kontakt5, Omnisphere, RMX, LASS, all Soundtoys, Lexicon AU's, melodyne and others I know am forgetting, cause I'm old...Also mucho outboard rigs, MTPs, DTP, antelope WC, and 4 control surfaces with Raven.
bayswater wrote:If I set faders in a group to various values, and set the VCA to +2, it adds +2 to all the levels in the group. If I save, then reload, it comes back with the VCA at +2 and all the faders in the group at the same levels as they were when the project was saved. If I double click on the VCA, it goes back to zero, and all the faders in the group return to their original values.
Well, that's how it's supposed to work, but so far drumwizard and I have experienced something different. Perhaps it's OS specific. I don't know. Still waiting to hear back from MOTU.
I was going to link to a video someone here posted on this but I couldn't find it. It might have been drumwizard. Wiz?
Phil
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Phil O wrote:Well, that's how it's supposed to work, but so far drumwizard and I have experienced something different. Perhaps it's OS specific. I don't know. Still waiting to hear back from MOTU.
I was going to link to a video someone here posted on this but I couldn't find it. It might have been drumwizard. Wiz?
Phil
Right, we need a video. If I read DWs original post, it seems to describe exactly what I'm seeing, and what I'd expect.
So here's what's going on at my end. I'll quote you and make changes in red.
If I set faders in a group to various values, and set the VCA to +2, it adds +2 to all the levels in the group. If I save, then reload, it comes back with the VCA at +2 and all the faders in the group at the same levels as they were when the project was saved plus 2dB.
Yes, all the faders will change to 2 dB above what they were saved at. Subsequent save/open cycles will add 2 dB (or whatever the VCA is set to) every time and eventually will all end up at +6 or minus infinity, depending on where the VCA is set. Only a setting of 0dB on the VCA retains the saved values in the group.
I guess any discussion beyond this belongs in the troubleshooting forum, but I wanted to respond to your post here as I think this is related to 10.01.
Phil
DP 11.34. 2020 M1 Mac Mini [9,1] (16 Gig RAM), Mac Pro 3GHz 8 core [6,1] (16 Gig RAM), OS 15.3/11.6.2, Lynx Aurora (n) 8tb, MOTU 8pre-es, MOTU M6, MOTU 828, Apogee Rosetta 800, UAD-2 Satellite, a truckload of outboard gear and plug-ins, and a partridge in a pear tree.
DP 11.34. 2020 M1 Mac Mini [9,1] (16 Gig RAM), Mac Pro 3GHz 8 core [6,1] (16 Gig RAM), OS 15.3/11.6.2, Lynx Aurora (n) 8tb, MOTU 8pre-es, MOTU M6, MOTU 828, Apogee Rosetta 800, UAD-2 Satellite, a truckload of outboard gear and plug-ins, and a partridge in a pear tree.
Phil O wrote:So here's what's going on at my end. I'll quote you and make changes in red.
If I set faders in a group to various values, and set the VCA to +2, it adds +2 to all the levels in the group. If I save, then reload, it comes back with the VCA at +2 and all the faders in the group at the same levels as they were when the project was saved plus 2dB.
Yes, all the faders will change to 2 dB above what they were saved at. Subsequent save/open cycles will add 2 dB (or whatever the VCA is set to) every time and eventually will all end up at +6 or minus infinity, depending on where the VCA is set. Only a setting of 0dB on the VCA retains the saved values in the group.
I guess any discussion beyond this belongs in the troubleshooting forum, but I wanted to respond to your post here as I think this is related to 10.01.
Phil
Thanks Phil. That's clearly no good. I'm not seeing that on 10.01 on my MBP (10.13.6). I might have chance to try it on the Mini (10.14.4) and post a tech link if I see it there. Something is very wrong if such a high level function only works on some OS versions.
bayswater wrote:Thanks Phil. That's clearly no good. I'm not seeing that on 10.01 on my MBP (10.13.6). I might have chance to try it on the Mini (10.14.4) and post a tech link if I see it there. Something is very wrong if such a high level function only works on some OS versions.
Works fine on my 2018 Mini too. I created a new project with 4 audio tracks and a VCA. That worked as it should and came back as expected when saved and reopened. Then I opened a older project created in 9.5.2. When I saved the 9.5.2, of course it told me to save as a DP10 project. I did that and when it was reopened, it also worked as it should.
When I hear back from MOTU I might start a new post in the troubleshooting section. Perhaps drumwiz could chime in on this too.
Thanks for all your feedback on this.
Phil
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