DP10 speculation?

[KenNickels]

I have tried export xml but it was fairly useless because it was tied to the quickscribe window and there were so many limitations, like one screen at a time. If Motu could find a way to do this similar to a complete MIDI file export for an entire sequence it would be more viable. Of course it's possible that I just don't know to use it right.

Hey Ken - can you say more? I recently used XML export for a project and did not have any issues like you describe. Something to look into - it's possible to export only selected tracks, or to export the whole score.

The result in Sibelius was a big black mess, everything all smashed together. Maybe it had something to do with print formatting or some things I'm not used to doing. I can't say more. It went so badly and it seemed right off the bat that it required more work than a straight MIDI export, so I never used it again. But if you could give me a detailed expiration of how you did it, I'd be forever in your debt. When I get a break in my work load I'd like to try it again.

[mesayre]

The result in Sibelius was a big black mess, everything all smashed together. Maybe it had something to do with print formatting or some things I'm not used to doing. I can't say more. It went so badly and it seemed right off the bat that it required more work than a straight MIDI export, so I never used it again. But if you could give me a detailed expiration of how you did it, I'd be forever in your debt. When I get a break in my work load I'd like to try it again.

Hmmm...the score I was doing wasn't that complicated, and looked reasonably good in the Quickscribe window to start with because of the way I'd notated it. So I don't remember doing much outside of selecting and exporting.

I just switched to a new system and haven't installed Sibelius yet, so unfortunately I can't test for you. But something that will definitely create a mess in a hurry is keyswitches. If they're hanging out a few octaves below the staff, the layout in Sibelius goes haywire. I believe if you select your keyswitches and change them to "playback only" in the QS window they won't be exported.

[williemyers]

The result in Sibelius was a big black mess, everything all smashed together. Maybe it had something to do with print formatting or some things I'm not used to doing. I can't say more. It went so badly and it seemed right off the bat that it required more work than a straight MIDI export, so I never used it again. But if you could give me a detailed expiration of how you did it, I'd be forever in your debt. When I get a break in my work load I'd like to try it again.

Ken, I just tried an ultra-simple test - - 4 bars of "Twinkle, Twinkle"... in a single track of a new DP 9.02, then xported out ".mxl" and imported in to Sib. Ult. 2018. It looks perfect, but as I said - - ultra-simple. I'll try it again tomorrow with a number of tracks and see what result I get.

[KenNickels]

The result in Sibelius was a big black mess, everything all smashed together. Maybe it had something to do with print formatting or some things I'm not used to doing. I can't say more. It went so badly and it seemed right off the bat that it required more work than a straight MIDI export, so I never used it again. But if you could give me a detailed expiration of how you did it, I'd be forever in your debt. When I get a break in my work load I'd like to try it again.

Ken, I just tried an ultra-simple test - - 4 bars of "Twinkle, Twinkle"... in a single track of a new DP 9.02, then xported out ".mxl" and imported in to Sib. Ult. 2018. It looks perfect, but as I said - - ultra-simple. I'll try it again tomorrow with a number of tracks and see what result I get.

At the time I had spoken to Dave Roberts about it, and he said that the export is contingent on the Quickscribe Window contents, AND it only exports the single page that you have displayed.

[Prime Mover]

Next version of DP? Whatever MOTU can do to stay alive.

Not just being an alarmist here, but I'm not sure how they do it. With heavy hitters like Apple, or freebies like R***** saturating the market. I worry DP is going to go the way of the Acoustic Piano (only 1000 new pianos are sold in the US each year): to only extreme specialists.

My prediction is that DPX is not gonna be the upgrade us pros are going to want. It's going to include some massive user-friendly UI redesigns on the scale of FCPx, Mach3 will be discontinued and all instruments rolled into DPX. I have absolutely NO interest in pack-in instruments: I own $3000+ of VIs including Komplete and other bundles, but DP has lagged behind the competition in "ready to rock out of the box" for too long. They're the only DAW that doesn't include pack in drum synth, sampler with piano, guitar, bass, strings. Yet MOTU holds some very reasonable libraries with Mach3 and sales are probably less than hits on my YouTube channel. I can't see ANY world in which Mach3 survives DPX.

I hope I'm wrong, but I also hope I'm right. I want DP to survive, why? Motunation.com is the greatest feature any software environment could ever have.

[FutureLegends]

My prediction is that DPX is not gonna be the upgrade us pros are going to want. It's going to include some massive user-friendly UI redesigns on the scale of FCPx, Mach3 will be discontinued and all instruments rolled into DPX.

That is really what is needed! Although I love DP and am a long time user, there’s so many parts of the DP UI that feel absolutely archaic, and must be very confusing for new users.
For songwriting I have switched over to Logic and DP has been used for live track playback. As I’m coming back to recording other bands though, I find myself missing DP compared to Logic... but can’t decide if it’s worth it upgrading to DP9/switching back... probably I’ll hold out for DPX and see what it brings...

Maybe things have changed, but I don’t understand why MOTU isn’t pushing DP more with their audio interfaces? At least for the high end ones, why not include DP? If they are continuing having an upgrade cost, that could really grow their user base and generate income in the long run.

Here in Europe, most people I meet haven’t even heard of Digital Performer.

[williemyers]

....At the time I had spoken to Dave Roberts about it, and he said that the export is contingent on the Quickscribe Window contents, AND it only exports the single page that you have displayed.

Ken, wouldn't That indicate that if you have, say, twenty tracks, you would need to do twenty individual ".mxl"'s? But if you check out this MOTU Youtube, at about 2:00 in, you'll see that he's selecting more than one track at a time, getting more than one track in to his single Quickscribe window, and his result is an ".mxl" carrying more than one track to Sibelius?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0y07dcii0

[williemyers]

...I worry DP is going to go the way of the Acoustic Piano (only 1000 new pianos are sold in the US each year)

wow Eric, the following's slightly out of date (2015), but it was showing about 35,000 pianos/year in the US?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-15/p ... es/6248428

...new pianos...sold in the US...to only extreme specialists.

they - those "extreme specialists" - a.k.a. "musicians"...

[MIDI Life Crisis]

...only 1000 new pianos are sold in the US each year): to only extreme specialists.

Don't believe everything you think. That is clearly total bullsh••.

[Michael Canavan]

Maybe things have changed, but I don’t understand why MOTU isn’t pushing DP more with their audio interfaces? At least for the high end ones, why not include DP? If they are continuing having an upgrade cost, that could really grow their user base and generate income in the long run.

Here in Europe, most people I meet haven’t even heard of Digital Performer.

In another DP forum, someone else from Germany was saying exactly that, that there is a current promotion where you get a full license for DP9 when you buy any of their 600+ euro interfaces.

It's a weird thing how UI works. I recently purchase Logic and that death DAW that can't be named, but I really really like Chunks. Any problems I see with the way Tracks and the Sequence Editor IMO sometimes arbitrarily get features that most other DAWs have in a single arrangement page are nothing compared to the feeling of loss I get when I can't have multiple versions of the same song, parts etc. all in different Chunks.

My hope for DP 10 is that it brings some of the clarity in UI to DP that IMO DP7 did.

[bayswater]

...only 1000 new pianos are sold in the US each year): to only extreme specialists.

Don't believe everything you think. That is clearly total bullsh••.

I agree. I could find 50 or more pianos sitting in stores in Vancouver which has a pop less than 1% of the US. And I bet most of these are demos. By extrapolation, there would only be about 10 sales a year.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

That is not to say sales aren’t down sharply, they are, but actual facts don’t change because they’re convenient (or inconvenient).

Facts are facts. Truth is singular.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/452 ... -the-us/#0

[mikehalloran]

Use the tools that get the job done.

I love Logic. It’s great tool for some things and inexpensive. It allows me to open GarageBand and Logic projects, export the audio and MIDI to a folder where I can import it into DP and do what I need. Not one client has ever asked me to sent a project back into Logic when done. Every once in awhile, I need to automate AutoTune and Logic lets me treat AT as a stand-alone app—I import the results into DP.

Begin and/or complete a project in Logic? Oh please...

$199.99 for Logic is cheap. Buy it through the EDU store and your $199.99 gets you Final Cut Pro X, Logic Pro X, Motion 5, Compressor 4, and MainStage 3. After purchase, you get 5 codes via email that you plug into your App Store account — your downloads begin and you are registered.

As for me? I’ll upgrade no matter to DP X or whatever it’s called. As one who begins all composition with a blank page in a notation app, I want to see MusicXML 3.1 import and export.

[mikehalloran]

Looking into my crystal ball, I think that Logic Pro and FCP are nearing end of life—perhaps not next year but in the foreseeable future. The new, new Mac Pro is being developed to run bleeding edge audio and AV apps with testers from Pixar, Lucasfilm and a few others. It’s not like Apple to release apps that won’t be downwards compatible. I could be wrong.

Anyway, DP 10 may be delayed till we all see what Apple has been working on for the last few years.

[James Steele]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/452 ... -the-us/#0

I'd like to be able to look at that but I can't without a membership or something.