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Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:09 am
by Killahurts
magicd wrote:To add plugs to the right-click menu, open the Effects Chooser window. Plug-ins can be sorted in a variety of ways, including customized folders and categories. Right-click on any folder or category. You'll get a menu that includes the option to Save As Menu Category. For example, if you select the MAS folder and choose Save As Menu Category, all the MAS plugs will show up in the Right-click insert menu.
Whoa this is awesome! I did not know this. So I could take the 10 or 12 plugs I use all the time and have those comprise the right click menu.. this will be fantastic for my workflow.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:35 pm
by daniel.sneed
magicd wrote:[...]Also, I just checked copy and paste between plug-ins, and that appears to be working fine. Make sure the correct plug-in windows are selected when you copy and when you paste.
Dave
Sorry, Dave, for reporting adversely. I just checked between two trim plug windows: First set to -2dB, second to 0dB. No copy/paste.
The Mac produces a *booh* sound when attempting to copy, and of course no paste.
Could be a 10.6.8 / DP8.01 thing?
Any insight appreciated.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:13 pm
by Frodo
Could it be a 10.6.8 vs 10.8.3 thing?
Dang- it's always great to hear from MagicDave.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:25 am
by Klaus
Frodo wrote:Could it be a 10.6.8 vs 10.8.3 thing?
Dang- it's always great to hear from MagicDave.
I hope it's not a 10.6.8 vs 10.8.3 thing,
or if,
Motu will fix this for 10.6.8
I'm reading about DP8 and it's bells and whistles, and
am looking forward that 'things' get fixed, before I upgrade...
best
Klaus
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:16 am
by Dwetmaster
magicd wrote:Buzzy - you are correct! Plug-in copy and paste of settings doesn't work in DP 8.01. Fixed in the next update (which is what I tested on). Sorry for the misinformation.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:08 am
by bralston
I know folks are holding on to 10.6.8 for dear life....but really. It is time to move on. I say this lovingly to all DP colleagues. Apple is not going back. And neither are the software developers like MOTU. If you are using DP8...run it in Mountain Lion. And you will find it mostly smooth sailing. Unless you have a very old video card. Then you might want to upgrade that as well. If your machine is too old to run the 64-bit kernel 10.8 requires...then again, that is just the way the industry works and it is time to upgrade the hardware. Unfortunately. I know that can be easier said than done for many folks, especially when you have lots of other hardware to upgrade at the same time. I was in the same boat. I ran my G5 into the ground forever. Had UAD cards I had to upgrade...eSata cards, etc....
At the MOTU DP8 launch event in LA last year, Magic Dave nicely mentioned to everyone in the room that DP8 is really optimized and will work best when running in 10.8 Mountain Lion. I don't want to speak for him. He does that just fine himself here all the time. But in my experience as well, I have also found this to be the case. It is time to move on with OSX....OR....just be happy in the fact that DP7 is the latest version you will probably use on 10.6.8.
Just sayin'.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:13 am
by buzzsmith
bralston wrote:I know folks are holding on to 10.6.8 for dear life....but really. It is time to move on.
If it was just DP 8, I'm with ya.
However, in my case, there are about 20 or so apps that I use regularly that aren't Mountain friendly!
EDIT: (Or updatable.)
Buzzy
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:22 am
by jbyerly1
bralston wrote:I know folks are holding on to 10.6.8 for dear life....but really. It is time to move on. I say this lovingly to all DP colleagues. Apple is not going back. And neither are the software developers like MOTU. It is time to move on with OSX....OR....just be happy in the fact that DP7 is the latest version you will probably use on 10.6.8.
Just sayin'.
I will consider this after this current project is finished. Ran into a couple roadblocks recently because of 10.6.8.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:32 am
by Klaus
bralston wrote:I know folks are holding on to 10.6.8 for dear life....but really. It is time to move on. I say this lovingly to all DP colleagues. Apple is not going back. And neither are the software developers like MOTU. If you are using DP8...run it in Mountain Lion. And you will find it mostly smooth sailing. Unless you have a very old video card. Then you might want to upgrade that as well. If your machine is too old to run the 64-bit kernel 10.8 requires...then again, that is just the way the industry works and it is time to upgrade the hardware. Unfortunately. I know that can be easier said than done for many folks, especially when you have lots of other hardware to upgrade at the same time. I was in the same boat. I ran my G5 into the ground forever. Had UAD cards I had to upgrade...eSata cards, etc....
At the MOTU DP8 launch event in LA last year, Magic Dave nicely mentioned to everyone in the room that DP8 is really optimized and will work best when running in 10.8 Mountain Lion. I don't want to speak for him. He does that just fine himself here all the time. But in my experience as well, I have also found this to be the case. It is time to move on with OSX....OR....just be happy in the fact that DP7 is the latest version you will probably use on 10.6.8.
Just sayin'.
Are you saying DP 8 won't run on 10.6.8 ?
Klaus
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:37 am
by James Steele
bralston wrote:I know folks are holding on to 10.6.8 for dear life....but really. It is time to move on. I say this lovingly to all DP colleagues.
Until I get newer hardware than my MacPro 1,1, I'll be hanging on to 10.6.8 as long as I can. I installed Lion on my machine and removed it after an hour. I felt things just a tiny bit slower with my hardware. Also, I have a bunch of apps that were just broken because they were older and Rosetta is removed. I didn't feel like updating a lot of apps.
I think what you're saying makes sense if you're someone running lots of VIs and doing film work and NEED to stay on the cutting edge. In my case, I'm a guy tracking rock songs, mixing elsewhere usually, and I have no compelling reason to modernize at the moment. So I'll wait as long as I can.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:42 am
by cuttime
bralston wrote:I know folks are holding on to 10.6.8 for dear life....but really. It is time to move on. I say this lovingly to all DP colleagues. Apple is not going back.
Apple is still supplying Security and Safari updates for 10.6.8, so they must realize that it still comprises a great deal of the OSX usership.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:04 pm
by mikehalloran
Apple is still supplying Security and Safari updates for 10.6.8, so they must realize that it still comprises a great deal of the OSX usership.
Yes but, at some point, that will end.
Until I get newer hardware than my MacPro 1,1, I'll be hanging on to 10.6.8 as long as I can. I installed Lion on my machine and removed it after an hour. I felt things just a tiny bit slower with my hardware. Also, I have a bunch of apps that were just broken because they were older and Rosetta is removed. I didn't feel like updating a lot of apps.
Lion was a preview of ML and many things did not work properly. 10.7.4 was sort of ok but earlier releases had major bugs.
I couldn't agree more that you should not consider ML until you have hardware capable of handling its features better. Here's Apple's list of supported features and models:
http://www.apple.com/osx/specs/
The fact is that, like it or not, DP 8 is designed to run best on OS 10.8 and some features do not work on 10.6.8. It will only get more so.
95% of my work can still be done in DP 5.13 on a G4 running OS 10.4.11. I still have a machine set up this way but rarely use it other than trouble shooting and testing. There are old file / DP 7.24 issues that were never resolved for me but they now those files open and work in 8 so I no longer care.
I am glad I made the move to 8. I wish that old projects recognized my Izotope settings so those are being finished in 7.24 but, eventually, that will be retired and I'll move forward.
Otherwise...
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:01 pm
by bralston
I have always felt and even said to my UCLA film scoring students that a program is not obsolete until it does not meet YOUR needs any more. Some folks are ok running older DP versions on older hardware and it meets their needs just fine. BUT...don't expect that it will be easy to mix the two (old + new software). If folks want to run DP8.0.1 smoothly...OS 10.8 is the place to be. Which also means 64-bit capable hardware for the most part. And a powerful enough video card to handle that new video engine (If you are using video scoring features). Many folks use DP without a high demand for video capabilities and are editing smaller templates of audio only, etc...So perhaps that is not a consideration for you.
Maybe those older MacPros will hang on just a little longer with previous versions of DP. Heck...my Dual G5 lasted 6 years+.
It is just if folks are trying to run DP8 and having weird problems...and then you notice their OS is 10.6.8...that is probably the problem. DP8 was written for 10.8. It will also run fine on 10.7.5 they say....and while it will install and run on 10.6.8...there are HUGE under the hood changes in the OS from 10.6.8 to 10.8 that are most likely the root of a lot of the problems.
Again....if you want to hang on to 10.6.8 and it is meeting your needs in production, by all means....do so. It may be a smart business move to wait until Apple comes out with a new MacPro solution anyway. Just don't expect that older OS with DP8 to be the sweet spot with solid performance. DP7.24 is then probably where you will want to be.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:23 pm
by James Steele
bralston wrote:Again....if you want to hang on to 10.6.8 and it is meeting your needs in production, by all means....do so. It may be a smart business move to wait until Apple comes out with a new MacPro solution anyway. Just don't expect that older OS with DP8 to be the sweet spot with solid performance. DP7.24 is then probably where you will want to be.
I hear you. But I have to say that DP 8 is working fine for me in 10.6.8... so... I'll just stick with it I guess.
Re: Why are plugs all changed in 8?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:30 pm
by Radiogal
Yeah I´m considering the OSX ML upgrade myself.
Wavelab 8 (planned release May 2nd) will only be OSX 10.8 compatible... That might be reason enough for me to take a week off for upgrading purposes.
OSX 10.8.3 seems to be in the sweet spot right now.
And as we know that every other OSX update is a hit and every other update is a miss, the forthcoming OSX 10.9 would probably to be the next Apple "OSX miss" So we better prepare ourselves...