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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:There used to be issues with BTD and V-Racks. Can you BTD with V-Racks now? I just stayed away from them and haven't revisited that. VRacks would be the way to go for a more efficient use of VIs for sure.
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How I use Chunks:

For an album, I'm going to want to give all my songs a certain flavor through mixing and mastering. Using V-Racks and Chunks, that becomes very easy. The basic compression, limiting and EQ are set up in a V-Racks track which is available to every chunk. Then I use one chunk per song in the album. I do not touch the settings for plugins in the V-Racks track unless I am sure that I want that change for every song. On the V-Racks return aux, I can add other plugins to change that particular chunk. When I'm done with all the tracks, I bounce them to disk and have my mixed and mastered Album without having to worry about getting them all to sound alike.

I also use Chunks to create different versions of a song. (Not different mixes, so much, since that can be done with named mixes in the Mixing Board.) I just duplicate the sequence and begin changing the copy in any way that I want. The original will still be there in its own chunk.

For live performance, one chunk per song is generally how it works. You can organize your play list in the chunks window, including notes in the Comments Field which may help you with cues to remember (when in the stage dialog to start the song).

There are many more uses, but those are the main ones that pop into my head at the moment.

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edwinh wrote:I'm just getting used to chunks. My only complaint at this point is the word itself. It's a little hard to take seriously and actually kept me from researching what they mean and what they can do.
Add me to the Chunks Nomenclature Haters list, but... After reading the manual too many times, at least I think I get Motu's paradigm:
Chunks can be several things and MOTU names them like this:
-Sequences (collections tracks-what this thread is about)
-v-racks (a collection of Instrument, auxes with plugs, Master Faders, etc.)
-DP Songs (a collection of Sequences and other Songs)

And you are not limited to only one of these in each project, which is a huge DP feature. I'm glad to see MOTU finally pushing this more. +1 on the usage others have posted, btw

I've never been able to think of a new name for these "collections" Maybe MOTU hasn't been able to either. Suggestions? a contest? Prizes?




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Why not just call them what they are: sequences. What are you saving by calling them chunks? Three letters? Calling them chunks is like calling a spark plug a porcelain piston suppository. One you need for a tune up, the other you need to shove up your tune.

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MLC, in my view, v-racks aren't sequences by a long shot, DP Songs maybe.
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As we already do, just call a sequence chunk a "sequence".

Perhaps a song could be called a "Meta Sequence". That avoids terms like Arrangement or Combination which are vague or misleading.

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frankf wrote:MLC, in my view, v-racks aren't sequences by a long shot, DP Songs maybe.
Well some people felt the need to differentiate three different kinds of *cough* chunks :wink: :

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I totally agree. VRacks AREN'T sequences. They are essentially shells to hold VIs and as such would be the likely place to install a bridge between 32 and 64 bit VIs.
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I guess if they needed a generic word to encompass all three (sequence, song, v-rack) "chunk" is ok (better than "thingy"). "Component" is an AU, "Entity" is weird, "Block" is not arty,

- I guess "element" is ok, but since a song can be a chunk, and a song contains elements, it doesn't quite get there.

"Piece" seems a little weak.

... How 'bout "Blobject"?
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How about sequences, shell (for VRacks), song mode?

Chunks? It's nuts... with chocolate!

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I got one I got one ! how about......"region"!

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Ha ha ha! No, let's save that for actual regions!
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stubbsonic wrote:

... How 'bout "Blobject"?
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I like the Chocolate's window! But this window name is really a legacy name, which coulda/shoulda been called the Sequences window, (ala Studio Vision) but then MOTU had to go stick v-racks in there and damn us to these recurring threads. Oh wait, there already IS a Sequence Window. Enough



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frankf wrote:I like the Chocolate's window!
Thanks for raisin that.
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