Another ...DAW Poll

[daniel.sneed]

Sorry, I'm not registered on GS. Will I ever be?
But taking a look at this poll did make me realize how good looking is the Motunation GUI.
Instead, GS board graphics seem hard and boring to my eyes.
Many kudos and thanks, James!

[Dan Worley]

Done.

90

Proud DP user.

c-ya,

Dan Worley

[James Steele]

Well golly gosh almighty! Just checked over there and it's Reaper 101 and DP 100. By Reaper, I mean the non copy protected DAW you pay for on the honor system.

[Killahurts]

I mean the non copy protected DAW you pay for on the honor system.

Is that what it is?

I thought it was just free, like the wind.

[James Steele]

Well, to be serious for a moment: there is absolutely NO copy-protection. After 30 days if you don't decide to pay the nominal price, you have to dismiss a nag screen at launch once per day, regardless if you quit the app or even turn off your Mac. Just once a day. There you go... that's it! So it's entirely dependent on the honesty of the user, but I maintain it's "defacto" free. Still, even if you haven't paid for your DAW, you'll buy audio magazines and vote in their polls!

[Albert Bacardit]

Done

[James Steele]

Well you just have to chuckle at the mentality of some of the denizens of GS. Some moron's posted my avatar from the board in the thread now! It's nice of him I guess. I like that picture.

It looks like there's some active democracy going on now. The Reaper forum has a thread and has boosted their numbers and it looks like the Logic folks are mobilizing!

[n2mpujack]

Well, to be serious for a moment: there is absolutely NO copy-protection. After 30 days if you don't decide to pay the nominal price, you have to dismiss a nag screen at launch once per day, regardless if you quit the app or even turn off your Mac. Just once a day. There you go... that's it! So it's entirely dependent on the honesty of the user, but I maintain it's "defacto" free. Still, even if you haven't paid for your DAW, you'll buy audio magazines and vote in their polls!

James:
Not to derail this thread but I posted this very thing over in the Cakewalk Sonar forums in a thread and got lambasted over it. Oh yeah - one of the posters over there even said there's a way to permanently dismiss the nag screen without paying but wouldn't say what the method was. Said he learned it from another forum member.

[James Steele]

Not to derail this thread but I posted this very thing over in the Cakewalk Sonar forums in a thread and got lambasted over it. Oh yeah - one of the posters over there even said there's a way to permanently dismiss the nag screen without paying but wouldn't say what the method was. Said he learned it from another forum member.

Yeah, these methods for disabling the nag screen are distributed just as freely as the Reaper. But I point out, the nag screen is a joke. It's a few seconds a day! Comes up once for just a few seconds and you dismiss it and you're good for THE ENTIRE DAY! You can completely power down your computer, turn it back on, relaunch Reaper and no nag screen until the next day. And you can do that for YEARS without paying. Hardly inconvenient at all. It takes longer for me to launch Liquid Mix before I launch DP.

Yes the nag screen is a joke and even then it can be defeated pretty easily. Took me five minutes to figure that out on my own. But you have to hand it to them, they're building a large user base with these scorched earth tactics. It's easy to gain market share when you're product dumping.

I challenge them to add minimally invasive serial number protection once the trial period expires. One of the authors does it for his plug-ins... why not Reaper? Because it doesn't serve them and they are USING piracy. As I said... monthly feature in SOS now. How many of that user base PAID for their DAW. We'll never know, will we?

[deadbeef]

Yeah, these methods for disabling the nag screen are distributed just as freely as the R•••••. But I point out, the nag screen is a joke. It's a few seconds a day! Comes up once for just a few seconds and you dismiss it and you're good for THE ENTIRE DAY! You can completely power down your computer, turn it back on, relaunch R••••• and no nag screen until the next day. And you can do that for YEARS without paying. Hardly inconvenient at all. It takes longer for me to launch Liquid Mix before I launch DP.

Yes the nag screen is a joke and even then it can be defeated pretty easily. Took me five minutes to figure that out on my own. But you have to hand it to them, they're building a large user base with these scorched earth tactics. It's easy to gain market share when you're product dumping.

I challenge them to add minimally invasive serial number protection once the trial period expires. One of the authors does it for his plug-ins... why not R•••••? Because it doesn't serve them and they are USING piracy. As I said... monthly feature in SOS now. How many of that user base PAID for their DAW. We'll never know, will we?

We, the internet at large, have had enough of your insane libelous ranting. Adding more copy protection just escalates the cracking-war, and people who don't wish to pay will always get around paying. Software developers should be in the business of developing interesting technologies that the users BENEFIT from, not fighting against people who develop cracks. If REAPER stopped working at the end of the 30 days, then there would be huge incentive for users to use the cracks, and once a user has used the crack, they are way way way LESS likely to purchase a license. If you are patient with the users, they will come around eventually.

At any rate, even if a developer WANTS to sell something for free or nearly free, it is their right to do so. This is America, for Christ's sake, what kind of hypocrite are you? ••••ing hell.

[James Steele]

I'm someone who has the right to my opinion. I take it you don't agree. Fine-- like I give a rat's ass what you think. Yep, developers have a right to "defacto" give their app away as an effective way to undercut competition in order to build market share. Doesn't mean I have to applaud it and I wish the developers had the guts to take the "training wheels" off now that they've built a user base with these tactics and implement basic serial protection and let their product stand on it's own merit rather than dumping it cheaply and laughably easy to steal.

I'm not ranting nor am I committing libel, so tone down the hyperbole. I'm expressing my opinion. You can like it or lump it. Besides, as a DP user ( ) what do you care? One post and registered today, huh? Don't you belong over at that other forum for another DAW?

[James Steele]

Oh, and word up: you are not the "internet at large." Secondly, what have you got against serial protection as a minimal form off cooy protection? There's already NO copy protection on Reaper. What difference will it make if the serial is cracked? I could see thieves not liking it as they might have to work a tiny bit harder to steal something. I'd laugh my ass off at all the pissing and moaning that would go on as all the guys with all their projects in that format who've been freeloading would have to pay up.

[daniel.sneed]

This nag screen thing may be misunderstood as *R..... is donation-ware*, which it is not.
IMHO, in these days, helping people to get a real sense of things is a must do.
Splash! Here I go : let's say work is something, value is something, music is something, respect is something! And : the world is not *just me as an angry kid*!

[James Steele]

The nag screen just tells you that you are supposed to pay after 30 days. And I suspect that a substantial number of the "user base" waits a few seconds and dismisses the screen as required only once per day and never pays. The fact that they don't even try to implement something as innocuous as simply requiring a serial number leads me to the OPINION that it's possible they're not really interested in discouraging the freeloaders.

[daniel.sneed]

I get your point, James.
For sure actually, R..... team does NOT *fight* piracy.
Can we say it's some sort of pirate-friendly app?
Maybe. That's just guessing though.
Marketing goes beyond imagination, these days.