DP 7.1 is Available

[jimagine]

I already LOVE the concept of the new Insert Settings Presets. What a great idea.

I have LONG wished for that feature without actually articulating that that was the feature I was wishing for.

I love this comment and I understand it fully.

Given the new focus on guitar processing and input monitoring it's kind of the perfect next step.

Autosave is a really good evolutionary step as well. I really don't believe in brand loyalty so much as relationship building and MOTU is definitely building that with me. My studios are split between film, audio and design and as a guy heavily vested in Apple I switched from Logic a while ago because it wasn't anything like my experience with Final Cut Studio integration and interface - and loved my first experience with DP4.

That said, I also have to deal with Adobes CS4 package and it's bugginess and slow evolution of it's acquired Macromedia programs. We recently upgraded all three rooms with no less than 12 core programs between FCS, CS4 and DP7...freakin yikes.

I was just commenting to my partner, who's in charge of design and interactive, that MOTU and Apple had really earned my respect with the new FCS7 and DP7 packages and Adobe has a long way to go by comparison.

[Phil O]

Seems like this bug:
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... er#p328305
(dubbed sleepy fader syndrome by someone)
has not been fixed in 7.1. I just ran into it.

Phil

[bongo_x]

Auto save!

As the kids say, OMG.

And it is a smart auto save too. I love the implementation. You can determine how long between saves. The default of 2 minutes seems good, and it does not save when the project is playing, and the save time is ultra quick. Quicker than what I have been used to.
...

This is the way Pro Tools does it, except PT doesn't overwrite the autosave, it keeps making new ones. I prefer that method. If you screw something up or something gets corrupted and you don't realize for 20 minutes, but your autosave is for 5 minutes, you've got a problem. 2 minutes is way too quick for me, it's a balance between how much work you're willing to lose vs how far back you might need to go. Since there's only one save I'm going to have to make it at least 5 minutes.

bb

[FutureLegends]

This is the way Pro Tools does it, except PT doesn't overwrite the autosave, it keeps making new ones. I prefer that method. If you screw something up or something gets corrupted and you don't realize for 20 minutes, but your autosave is for 5 minutes, you've got a problem. 2 minutes is way too quick for me, it's a balance between how much work you're willing to lose vs how far back you might need to go. Since there's only one save I'm going to have to make it at least 5 minutes. bb

Don't forget there's also the undo history available...

[bongo_x]

This is the way Pro Tools does it, except PT doesn't overwrite the autosave, it keeps making new ones. I prefer that method. If you screw something up or something gets corrupted and you don't realize for 20 minutes, but your autosave is for 5 minutes, you've got a problem. 2 minutes is way too quick for me, it's a balance between how much work you're willing to lose vs how far back you might need to go. Since there's only one save I'm going to have to make it at least 5 minutes. bb

Don't forget there's also the undo history available...

That's true, and it's something I always do forget about. I'm not used to the way it works and I don't think I've really wrapped my head around it.

bb

[zed]

Don't forget there's also the undo history available...

That's true, and it's something I always do forget about. I'm not used to the way it works and I don't think I've really wrapped my head around it.

Well basically, if you set your undo history to 5 hours or 500 actions (or whatever), then DP will save all of that and allow you to go back to whatever point you need to go back to. Presumably this undo history will exist in the auto-save as well. You just have to open up your history window, to review and go back to your previous actions. I strongly recommend it. I have my undo history window open all the time.

So for me, auto-save set at 2 minutes means that when DP crashes I am not crying about the 15 minutes or half and hour lost. I want my auto-saves frequent. And the fact that DP doesn't save multiple copies, like ProTools, is a real plus for me. I don't want to take up the extra space and have to keep track of multiple copies that I didn't create myself.

For extra safety, I will continue with my long-standing method of making my own backup copy of any project I decide to work on each day. That way if the main project fails, and the auto-save fails, I will still have a copy of the file from the previous day which definitely opens and is working.

[Tim]

Presumably this undo history will exist in the auto-save as well.

I haven't tried it with the new auto saved copy, but I do know that no undo history is retained with a regular Save-A-Copy, only with a Save-As.

[pcm]

Auto save!

As the kids say, OMG.

And it is a smart auto save too. I love the implementation. You can determine how long between saves. The default of 2 minutes seems good, and it does not save when the project is playing, and the save time is ultra quick. Quicker than what I have been used to.
...

This is the way Pro Tools does it, except PT doesn't overwrite the autosave, it keeps making new ones. I prefer that method. If you screw something up or something gets corrupted and you don't realize for 20 minutes, but your autosave is for 5 minutes, you've got a problem. 2 minutes is way too quick for me, it's a balance between how much work you're willing to lose vs how far back you might need to go. Since there's only one save I'm going to have to make it at least 5 minutes.

bb

I agree. I set PT to save every two minutes, and keep the last fifteen versions. Like DP7.1, this is in ADDITION to the regular session files which is only modified when YOU manually initiate a save. I applaud motu for finally doing autosave, but they fell just a little short of perfect by only generating ONE autosave document. PT's implementation of user-comfigerable multiple saved documents goes one better, in that if you need to go back a specific number of minutes, you can.

[martian]

the autosave I set up on my laptop this morning and got someone to do some lipsyncing - small session - they didnt even realise it was on!!!

havent tried a bigger session/../

but some weirdness - I want to prune unused sound bites - as I deleted 90 odd tracks....

when I select unused in bites window - around 1 million bites are selected- so far so good..

how ever they are flashing at me! ie go blue as in selected - then go as if none selected.. this continues for ever - how cool a flashing pale blue window!!1

this is in 7.02 and 7.1 - hmmm strange!

[BKK-OZ]

I keep getting time-out errors trying to access the download page.
Maybe Oztralia is just too far away

[lachr]

Anyone care to put up a link of the update from say a dropbox public folder? MOTU's website doesn't work right now...

[waterstrum]

Yeah, MOTU is not responding.
Proxy Error, etc.
Been trying for a couple of hours and MOTU is off the air.

[mozart240966]

Hey everybody - I come from a land far away called 'Logic 9.1" - I hear your planet is more friendly and seek asylum!!!

Seriously - I have been onboard with Logic for lightyears BUT am considering jumping on board with DP. As I said - I have had a long relationship with her but I think we are almost at the "irreconsilable differences" stage .....SO.... I need a few questions answering over the next few weeks before I do jump and any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated...

So..... first up..

I write to picture TV / commercials and need to have a large orchestral template setup... ideally in Plogue Bidule so I can change cues/sessions without dumping my template every hour... and rewire everything directly into DP

I may have this wrong but I had it on good authority that DP7 utilises all the cores when using rewire... and it is in fact a Logic limitation? A colleague of mine in the States uses DP and he gets a MAJOR uplift in the size of his thru-put from Plogue Bidule via the rewire link than I can achieve in Logic before it craps out and starts hitting the "one core spike"...

Truth or Fiction??

...Also -is DP 7.1 playing nicely with VE Pro??

cheers in advance
Paul

MAC PRO 8 CORE 3.0GHZ - 18 GB RAM - OSX 10.6.2 /// G5 AND PC SLAVES running Plogue Bidule ported via lightpipe into main DAW (L9.1)

[bjornln]

Paul,


Welcome to DP.
There are a few things (a lot ?) that you will like with DP when you use it for scoring.
There are also a few things you will find odd when you come from Logic. You might wanna look at DP's features and change a few things in your workflows... Take time to flip through the manual before you have any major projects coming up.

There are quite a few TV/Film people on the board. People are usually veru friendly, if you have a manual... You'll see what I mean..

/B