Using another MAC for VIs

richardein · Post by **richardein** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:07 pm

Here is an article from sound on sound magazine on MIDI and audio networking in Tiger.

Glad to hear that others have experimented with Tiger's built-in MIDI network. Knowing others have found it not that useful that will save a lot of effort if I can't get it to work within a reasonable length of time.

Aramis · Post by **Aramis** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:49 am

Hey Bruce ,
Why do you use the AardSync box ?
My setup is this !!!!
The DP machine is a G5 with an RME 9652 (3 adat lightpipes)
The VI machine is a HP PC with a 2408mkII (2 adat lightpipes and 8 analog i/o ....
I was assuming that the internal sync of the 9652 is my master clock for all the optical channels ..????

Aramis

Jaysplace101 · Post by **Jaysplace101** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:30 am

Great info Bruce and Richard, Thanks a ton!

It really seems like the dual computer thing is the way to go right now. At least until MOTU optimizes DP for OSX. I don't think it's any secret that we're not getting everything out of our big ole macs that we should be. Lot's of folks think that's a total code rewrite, which may never happen....... another thread....

j

danny · Post by **danny** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:42 am

I don't think it's any secret that we're not getting everything out of our big ole macs that we should be.

compared to what?
ie; what apps run circles around dp on a fast system?

i'm skeptical.

Jaysplace101 · Post by **Jaysplace101** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:51 am

compared to logic.... those who have compared say they get a lot more power out of logic. Especially in the VI department. I'm making a judgement based on many many posts on this board over the last year. I think the consensus is that the layers of code from DP NOT being completely rewritten from OS9, but rather retrofitted, if you will, cause it to not take full advantage of the power we have available with our G5s. And, I would also say that when I jumped from my dual 1 gig G4, I thought I should see a bigger step up in power. But, that's just my perception.

j

Rush909 · Post by **Rush909** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:50 am

I agree with Rayman... Take a boot around logic in a full project even with CPU at 95% and the app is fast as hell... almost no perceptable difference between using logic when the CPU is at 5% and when it's at 95%... Now granted I have not used DP4.6 with DCPUM which might speed things up, but again from the concensus around the board, DCPUM is not the answer for DP's slugishness or lack of power...

also as I posted in another thread, similar sized projects (audio/VI) would kill DP while Logic seems to still have room CPU and Functionality wise...

but again, logic (6.4/7.0) is horrible to use and full of bugs...so you can't really win...

r.

bmiller360 · Post by **bmiller360** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:13 am

Aramis............I used the Aardsync with my previous setup and fed blackburst (video sync) into it and then the Aardsync distributed that.Now that I don't need to sync to video (it's all digitized) I don't use the blackburst generator any more, but Matt (the MOTU rep in LA) agreed that the word clock from the Aardsync would be preferrable to internal sync. I am not an expert on the clock issue........I just know what a bad, bad sound comes from improper clocking, so I use what the experts tell me. Your Hammerfall source may be fine.....Matt just seemed to feel it was preferable to stick with the unit I already had.
Bruce

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:19 am

oops

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Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:21 am

Aramis · Post by **Aramis** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:04 pm

Originally posted by bruce miller:
Aramis............I used the Aardsync with my previous setup and fed blackburst (video sync) into it and then the Aardsync distributed that.Now that I don't need to sync to video (it's all digitized) I don't use the blackburst generator any more, but Matt (the MOTU rep in LA) agreed that the word clock from the Aardsync would be preferrable to internal sync. I am not an expert on the clock issue........I just know what a bad, bad sound comes from improper clocking, so I use what the experts tell me. Your Hammerfall source may be fine.....Matt just seemed to feel it was preferable to stick with the unit I already had.
Bruce

Thanks Bruce ,
Ok , I was asking you because I wonder about the precision and stability of the clocks in general ....I use to sync everything from an Alesis old synth in the past and I wonder how I may determine the best clock for me ....
Aramis

jimjacobsen · Post by **jimjacobsen** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:34 pm

This thread has covered a lot of ground, but as for the original issue of offloading some of the VI drama to another box, I'm all for it. I have a nice new PC I had built for speed and I run tons and tons of VIs under V Stack. It's like a big ol' Virtual rack of synths and doesn't cost the Mac CPU a thing. I save a file on the PC with the same name as the DP file on the Mac, Bob's yer' uncle.
For years I've also run Acid on another PC and slaved the Mac/DP to it via MTC, but as of my recent OS 10/DP 4.6 upgrade the latency issues have rendered this awfully klugey (MTC offsets needed, etc.). I realize I risk being attacked for using Acid but since I make a good living doing this as a music ••••• in L.A. it must not be entirely "wrong".

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:04 am

Originally posted by Rush909:

how is everyone out there getting this configuration working...

thank you in advance...

r.

I am running Giga or Emulator X on a PC
and I am running SampleCell II on an extra Mac.

DP G4 MIDI Interface outs connects to PC and Extra Mac MIDI interface MIDI ins.

Audio from PC and Extra Mac goes to my mixer.

This FAQ from the gigastudio site gives you a general idea of the hook up -- substitute Xtra Mac for PC and you are there:

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http://www.tascamgiga.com/GigaStudio3FAQs.php#MactoPC

How do I connect my Mac running my sequencer to the PC that I am running Giga on?

Think of your PC running Giga as you would any hardware sampler or synthesizer (as far as connecting it). If you are using a controller keyboard, that would go to the MIDI in on the Mac, The MIDI out of your Mac would go to the MIDI in of your Gigastudio PC. (So you will need a MIDI interface on your Mac and one on the PC).

If you are recording your audio on your Mac then you would just bring the audio outs of the GSIF compatible audio card on the PC to the inputs of the audio card on your Mac. Simple as that!

*Note: Make sure if you are connecting your audio cards with Digital connections that you set up the word clock properly. Check with your audio card manufacture for proper word clock settings.

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As to VI's

An app like vsti host will let you run your vst instruments in standalone mode on your xtra mac. . .I have not used it, but there is a demo available so you could test it out.

http://www.defectiverecords.com/vstihost/

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danny · Post by **danny** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:24 am

compared to logic.... those who have compared say they get a lot more power out of logic. Especially in the VI department. I'm making a judgement based on many many posts on this board over the last year. I think the consensus is that the layers of code from DP NOT being completely rewritten from OS9, but rather retrofitted, if you will, cause it to not take full advantage of the power we have available with our G5s. And, I would also say that when I jumped from my dual 1 gig G4, I thought I should see a bigger step up in power. But, that's just my perception.

obviously, given the terms which you are using in your argument, you're not a programmer. Also, you're not a logic user, and you are not a MOTU coder/employee presumably, so you lack the experience, expertise, and first hand knowledge/access to postulate on this topic as if you actually knew something about it. Anyone used to the power of dp is going to be very unhappy being thrust into buggy and counter-intuitive logicworld, so this issue is a non-starter in any case. I use both apps, btw, tho' not by choice. And, also, i made the same jump as you and was stunned by the increase in power, so there's more proof that perceptions posted on forums are variable according to the users' expectations and experience.

Jaysplace101 · Post by **Jaysplace101** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:01 am

R.U. spotless,

Whatever. You win!!! Great job!

j

mgmediaworks · Post by **mgmediaworks** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:08 am

IM disappointed at G5 with all the hype that you would have to use to machines to get your work done.. Ihave so much stuff.. for my mac and my pc..Since DP is my favorite APP.. I was looking into one of those vst-lynk lightpipe cards.. how would that work?.. Virtual Instruments on my pc using v-stack and also reason.. and DP on my titanium on my G4 titanium 400 MHZ.. AM i just asking for headaches?

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