NI plugs still broken in 6.01 (not all?)

[James Steele]

Okay... this is weird. I just emailed a buddy of mine to verify this and he wrote me back and says he's using latest versions of FM8, Akoustic Piano, Massive, Absynth 4, and Reaktor5 and they're "not broke" on his machines. He sent me a screenshot of his machine with FM8 open and working which I will post if he gives me permission. There may be some other issue happening here. I asked him if he is on Intel or PPC and trying to get more info. Oh wait... he might be on "Tiger"... I'll report back when I hear from him.

[James Steele]

As for me: I'm using FM8, Akoustic Piano, Massive, Absynth 4, and Reaktor5. All are latest versions. They are completely broken with the DP6.01 version of AudioUnit Support bundle; and, with DP5 AU Support bundle, they work but are unusable due to graphic anomalies. I can however, still use them in DP6.0 with the old DP5 AU Support bundle.

Do you mind if I ask: when you say "completely broken," do you mean that they crash DP... or do they do something else? I'm wondering why FM7 doesn't crash DP (there's a missing GUI of course!) but FM8 does?

Crash! As soon as I attempt to instantiate one of the NI plugs, the beach ball spins for a few seconds and... poof!

Are you using Leoapard too? I'm going to change the subject header in the meantime to reflect the situation more accurately until more info comes up...

[mhschmieder]

I had no trouble using Kontakt 3 in DP 6.01 last night. That's the only NI plug that I tried though.

[slicerecords]

that's the only one that works

[James Steele]

that's the only one that works

Not so. I know at least one person who is using the plug ins I named in my post above. He is also using 10.5.4. I will post his screenshot of FM8 running that he sent me if you like. I'm trying to uncover more... but this is not happening for everyone.

[groove]

that's the only one that works

Not so. I know at least one person who is using the plug ins I named in my post above. He is also using 10.5.4. I will post his screenshot of FM8 running that he sent me if you like. I'm trying to uncover more... but this is not happening for everyone.

James, is he on PPC or Intel?

[James Steele]

Intel.

[JMSchur]

Intel.

They all work fine on my Intel machine too (MacBook Pro 17" 2.6/4GB 10.5.4). It's my PPC machine where I'm having the problems. And, of course, the PPC machine is my main music making computer.

[James Steele]

Intel.

They all work fine on my Intel machine too (MacBook Pro 17" 2.6/4GB 10.5.4). It's my PPC machine where I'm having the problems. And, of course, the PPC machine is my main music making computer.

Here's the response and screenshot I got from another DP user I know:

I didn't have time to test this on both machines today, but attached is a jpg of a DP 6.01 session on OS 10.4.11 with NI Akoustik piano and Absynth recording/playing and Guitar Rig running as an effect insert. This is on the Dual G5 (G5 Dual 2.7GHz, 4.5GB, OS 10.4.11). No graphic anomalies. No SBBOD or glitches.

So something is amiss here... and I'm trying to figure out what. I wonder if you have corrupted permissions perhaps? Unfortunately I don't own any of those NI VI's or I would investigate further on my own.

[JMSchur]

Intel.

They all work fine on my Intel machine too (MacBook Pro 17" 2.6/4GB 10.5.4). It's my PPC machine where I'm having the problems. And, of course, the PPC machine is my main music making computer.

Here's the response and screenshot I got from another DP user I know:

I didn't have time to test this on both machines today, but attached is a jpg of a DP 6.01 session on OS 10.4.11 with NI Akoustik piano and Absynth recording/playing and Guitar Rig running as an effect insert. This is on the Dual G5 (G5 Dual 2.7GHz, 4.5GB, OS 10.4.11). No graphic anomalies. No SBBOD or glitches.

So something is amiss here... and I'm trying to figure out what. I wonder if you have corrupted permissions perhaps? Unfortunately I don't own any of those NI VI's or I would investigate further on my own.

I've repaired permissions... for what its worth. I've deleted... prefs and all, and reinstalled several times. Maybe it's a Leopard thing.

[James Steele]

Maybe it's a Leopard thing.

This from another friend:

I'm on the latest 10.5.4 with an early 2008 Intel Quad-Core 3.2Ghz -10Gb ram. If you want me to send you my whole Mac set-up I can.

But he's Intel. I'm beginning to think maybe this is the combination of PPC and Leopard???

[David Polich]

Well all of this news is just sad. Seems like we have trouble on three fronts - with third-party developers who haven't tested their plugs with DP6,
to specific computer/OS combinations (PPC and Leopard, PPC and Tiger, Intel and Leopard), and MOTU themselves, although I really think
they're trying their best to address the myriad concerns.

The plug-ins issues dwarf any other issues at this point, I think. I couldn't care less about the GUI issues. It's the plug-in and VI's situation which
is the biggest problem right now.

Looks like we'll be going through about the same number of updates to get to the "truly" working version of DP6. I'm placing my bets on 6.1x - in line with how things progressed with DP5.

[Shooshie]

I have Akoustik Piano and Kontakt2 Player. Within Kontakt2 Player I have several libraries of Garritan instruments. They all work fine. Akoustik Piano is working fine. I just tested it. I use deep features in Kontakt2 Player, and everything is working. No problems. Zero.

What I'm wondering, though, is whether the people with problems are using the version appropriate for their setup. This may be more difficult than it appears on the surface. The current versions of NI's Kontakt2 Player and Akoustik Piano are both optimized for Intel and Leopard. That may mean that they are NOT optimized for Tiger, G5, or some combination of those and DP6. But... if you have the following:

Intel Mac Pro
Leopard (10.5.4)
DP 6.0 or DP 6.01

Then NI's plugins should be working for you. If not, then I would guess that you have not updated to the latest versions. I must say that it was quite a mess back in December, trying to get information on which NI plugins were compatible with Leopard/Intel and which ones were not. Mine, it turned out, were not. It wasn't until sometime in January that the updates became available. Once they were available I do remember the update process being at once easy to perform, but hard to know just what had taken place, where the update file came from, and so forth. But I can at least attest to the fact that they exist, I'm using them, and DP is not crashing with my NI plugins.

YMMV

Shooshie
If anyone wants proof, I guess a screenshot would do: Click Here

[James Steele]

I have Akoustik Piano and Kontakt2 Player. Within Kontakt2 Player I have several libraries of Garritan instruments. They all work fine. Akoustik Piano is working fine. I just tested it. I use deep features in Kontakt2 Player, and everything is working. No problems. Zero.

Looks even more like a PPC + Leopard issue. I'm seriously thinking of downgrading to Tiger then... I can't use VI ONE with Kontakt Player2 as a plug right now.

[David Polich]

James, I keep forgetting you have the same Mac as I do. I haven't gone to Leopard because I honestly don't
think it's worth it for PPC machines. On my G4 Powerbook Leopard makes everything slower.

Might indeed be worth a shot to go back to Tiger - myself I've decided not to go to Leopard until I get
a new Mac (maybe next summer).

FWIW I know a mastering engineer who has Sonic Solutions running on OS9/G4 and has no intention
of updating ever. Her logic - "I don't have another 60 grand to spend on going to something else".