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BradLyons wrote:The plug-in uses sophisticated proprietary runway modeling techniques to encode the vocal and behavioral characteristics of the world's most iconoclastic rock frontmen onto any vocalist's performance.

I was very displeased to see that none of the Beatles' voices have been represented in this product. The British accent might be useful for some vocal applications, but is pretty useless if you can't dial up some of the specific Fab Four vocal tones. Were these omitted because of copyright issues?

What do I do I'm doing a song IN FRENCH???

That is so funny! LOL Love the ego knobs.

Buy you know... I actually think that it might be possible to create this product. The technology is available to analyse vocal nuiances and tonal/textural characteristics of one's voice. If a willing rock star participant would allow the aspects of his singing voice to be sampled and thoroughly analysed, I'll bet some genius could figure out a way to create a plugin where you could select bit of you own vocal track and modify the sound wave so that is morphed into something much closer to the tone and vibrato of the modelled rockstar, based on the notes and the intensity with which they are being sung.

That would be really interesting technology. Huge money for someone.

zed wrote:Buy you know... I actually think that it might be possible to create this product. The technology is available to analyse vocal nuiances and tonal/textural characteristics of one's voice. If a willing rock star participant would allow the aspects of his singing voice to be sampled and thoroughly analysed, I'll bet some genius could figure out a way to create a plugin where you could select bit of you own vocal track and modify the sound wave so that is morphed into something much closer to the tone and vibrato of the modelled rockstar, based on the notes and the intensity with which they are being sung.

That would be really interesting technology. Huge money for someone.

You know, I think it was DPDan who was in here the other day talking about using the Pitch feature in DP to copy the vibrato from a good note of a vocal, and apply it to a bad one, making them essentially identically expressed. Now, it's just a matter of sampling the overtone/transient structure, and... really, it's not that far-fetched!

Oh, and then there was some product we were discussing the other day that sampled a sound, and then allowed you to use it as a VI. Maybe we're already there.

Eeeg. Not that I actually want to see this.


Shooshie

Cue the new product announcement from Celemony...

By the way, as a member of the much-maligned group, "lead singers," I've heard them all. Oddly enough, years ago in my last working club band, I worked harder than anybody. I schlepped more gear. Provided the PA system. Did all the booking. Got paid the same as everyone else. I was the first one to a gig... the last one to leave. When the rest of the band literally *FLED* the stage at breaks to go outside and sequester themselves with their Marlboros, I stayed inside and did the politicking-- chatting with club patrons, signing them up to our email list, and listening to all the "my hair was as long as yours" stories, and giving advice on what guitar to buy for junior... smiling all the while. From 9pm to 2am not a minute off-the-clock.

The band finally broke up because I could no longer hear myself over the drummers ever louder personal monitoring system. He wanted to hear his own drums like it was on a CD or something. Didn't matter that we played small rooms... he wanted his kit mic'd. His monitoring was so loud, he had to resort to MIDI triggers to trigger a module because of feedback. When I complained about it... well... you know those "lead singers." Of course the flip side of lead singer land is most people will never will notice if say, your bass player was a little off because he was singing with a flu he caught from one of the people he was shaking hands with at the bar last week. (I learned to become a germphobe in the clubs).

James back in the day my hair was longer than yours, it was down to my nips. Oh no another long hair story argh run!

When people ask me if I am in a band I just want to say F no!

They do have there fun moments more so if you are single.

James Steele wrote: He wanted to hear his own drums like it was on a CD or something. Didn't matter that we played small rooms... he wanted his kit mic'd. His monitoring was so loud, he had to resort to MIDI triggers to trigger a module because of feedback.

James - I wonder if maybe he was going seriously deaf? People are often unaware or in denial about going deaf.

Maybe not - but that's what leapt to my mind when I read your post.

Spikey Horse wrote:

James Steele wrote: He wanted to hear his own drums like it was on a CD or something. Didn't matter that we played small rooms... he wanted his kit mic'd. His monitoring was so loud, he had to resort to MIDI triggers to trigger a module because of feedback.

James - I wonder if maybe he was going seriously deaf? People are often unaware or in denial about going deaf.

Maybe not - but that's what leapt to my mind when I read your post.

Hmmm... good point. Maybe so. He claimed it was because it wasn't because he couldn't *hear* his drums, but they didn't sound *good* without him having his own monitoring setup. He had his own mixer, power amp, and monitor and as I said, ran it SO loud that he had to use MIDI triggers into a DM5 in order to get it loud enough.

I was determined a) not to go deaf and b) not to blow out my voice by trying to sing OVER the band every night. I was convinced I would permanently damage my voice if it continued as is, so I folded the project rather than go through another drummer search. Honestly, by then anyway, I was sick of playing small clubs and making less per man than the cocktail waitresses. The cover music scene is pretty poor these days in San Diego and has been for years. It can be fun for a while, but it wasn't worth the going pay.

James Steele wrote: He claimed it was because it wasn't because he couldn't *hear* his drums, but they didn't sound *good* without him having his own monitoring setup. He had his own mixer, power amp, and monitor and as I said, ran it SO loud that he had to use MIDI triggers into a DM5 in order to get it loud enough.

Yeah, I'd put money on it all being about hearing loss. (Weirdly enough) I'm learning sign language on the side and I've got to know a few people who are going deaf late in life (as opposed to infancy, childhood) - there is often serious denial (born mainly out of fear- and who can blame them, it must be terrifying) and people often go to extraordinary lengths to compensate and disguise the problem in front of others - even way beyond the point when it is ruining their lives and those of people around them.

But maybe he was just a stubborn bastard who had to have ridiculously loud drums!

Spikey I have a few deaf friends so I have learned sign. I work closly with a deaf man at work and I am getting much better at sign now. If I go deaf at least I will be able to talk with some one. I protect my hearing like it is a treasure.

twistedtom wrote:Spikey I have a few deaf friends so I have learned sign. I work closly with a deaf man at work and I am getting much better at sign now. If I go deaf at least I will be able to talk with some one.

Well, ironically I'm not sure how well we'd understand each other! We had a girl from the States on a course once - she knew ASL and was learning BSL with us - they are quite different languages! Even regionally there seem to be huge differences here .... probably the same with ASL.

I do love signing - its directness, the imagery, how everything is 'storytelling' rather than just 'information' .... I know I'm so privileged to still have access to the hearing world and I feel guilty in a way enjoying learning the language so much (and then telling deaf people I'm a musician!)... exams not so fun or signing to video cameras where I look like this

Still (when qualified) I hope to be able to do some freelance style interpreter work eventually, hopefully connected with 'the arts' somehow, interpreting live theatre or art exhibitions, that kind of thing.

BTW if you sign all day and don't speak your brain changes shape - do you ever get that? And then there's waving your hand in (hearing) people's faces to get their attention!

twistedtom wrote: I protect my hearing like it is a treasure.

Me too! used earplugs since I was 17 ... mind you, the 2 years before that were very, very loud so just as well.

I didn't see the gold chain set up in the Aux buss. Also will this be soon forgotten and then reissued as the booking agent plug-in?

Some times I sign in my dreams. Who know what shape my brain is in.
I would love to see what is different about British sign. My deaf coworker just told me that a girl he knows went to Britain and had a hard time signing with any one. He say's ASL is closer to French SL, funny I would think it would be English as that is what we more or less speak in the states.
On a side note; I was from Boston and Bostonian's sound the most like British in the states.