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jlaudon wrote:I might be missing something, but why does Waves even need to do MAS versions, if the AU versions can work (at least eventually) in DP?

Which leads to a more general question. Is there any advantage to using MAS versions of any plug-ins over AU (when both are available) in general?

Phil

Hmm... just answered this elsewhere. MAS has a little more flexibility with multiple outs and ins, as well as sidechaining. It may be that AU does everything just as well, but perhaps AU plugins have to be reprogrammed for DP to take full advantage of it. Generally, I notice a slight loss of functionality in AU plugins, and I suspect it is precisely because they are not programmed specifically for the DAW at hand. If companies followed the specs to the letter, for every DAW and every plugin, then it probably would work. I don't know. I'm only saying that my MAS plugins work better with Digital Performer.


Shoosh

Shoosh, I would vastly appreciate it if you could explain how or what you did to get Waves going on a MacIntel using Logic AU's. I am trying, and failing, to make that happen. My theory is to download the Logic Gold set, then have the iMac pick them up as AU plug ins, and have them become magically available (at least some of them) in DP. So far, not working as planned. Can you explain how or what you did? Thanks...really appreciate it.

Honestly and truly: call tech support. Get them to walk you through it. When they say "we're not supporting Digital Performer right now," then say "Ok, pretend I said I've got Logic. Now... help me install it." There is no difference.

The problem is that I cannot retrace my steps. My initial installation and authorization took at least 6 or 10 tries, and it took me all night. Finally, I found the instructions and followed them to the letter. VOILA! It happened! I can't even tell you where THOSE are.

Shooshie

Ouch! Do you know if this is true on a G5 Tower, and also on the new MacPro Towers? If/so, since I'm using a FireWire audio interface (FireWire 400) then my external FireWire 800 drives would be running at 400 speed...

So maybe some of the speed boost that I've noticed from using eSata drives is because they're all on their own busses and not slowed down by my audio interface....

Frodo wrote: BOTH 400 and 800 ports on the same 33Mhz bus. It's not clear what their reasoning might be-- but if it's a cost issue of adding descrete busses for each FW port, then FW appears to be in a strange sort of purgatory right now: it's clearly not worth it for Apple to make independent FW busses.

RecordingArts wrote:Ouch! Do you know if this is true on a G5 Tower, and also on the new MacPro Towers? If/so, since I'm using a FireWire audio interface (FireWire 400) then my external FireWire 800 drives would be running at 400 speed...

So maybe some of the speed boost that I've noticed from using eSata drives is because they're all on their own busses and not slowed down by my audio interface....

Frodo wrote: BOTH 400 and 800 ports on the same 33Mhz bus. It's not clear what their reasoning might be-- but if it's a cost issue of adding descrete busses for each FW port, then FW appears to be in a strange sort of purgatory right now: it's clearly not worth it for Apple to make independent FW busses.

Check out this diagrams for top line MacPros-- and notice the FW routing in the lower right hand corner--- all roads lead to one single 33Mhz bus:

http://developer.apple.com/documentatio ... 312_01.jpg

I know my G5 2.5 Dual suffers from the 400/800 sardine can, which is why I only use one device (Duende) on the FW port. I can't seem to find a schematic for the G5 at the moment...

That's why I say Apple is keeping FW in a rather obligatory fashion where users of heavy duty FW devices are experiencing log jam. I can't imagine trying to do VIs to score a long film without a wall of computers networked together making libreral use of PCI (e or x)... where eSATA is about 300% more efficient with data transfer than FW.

Maybe audio isn't such a big deal, but I've never had much satisfaction with more than one major device on the FW bus at a time. Two FW hard drives, maybe. Perhaps someone else has fared better than I in this regard, or maybe my G5 is a lemon.

Separate busses was indeed the key to success.

Wow... Thanks for the info. I had always assumed that the different ports were on different busses... Doh!

I guess short of going eSata (which I've already done) one could add a PCIe/x FireWire card that gives more FireWire busses...

RecordingArts wrote:Wow... Thanks for the info. I had always assumed that the different ports were on different busses... Doh!

I guess short of going eSata (which I've already done) one could add a PCIe/x FireWire card that gives more FireWire busses...

Yep, that seems to be the ticket for now. Of course, we don't know what Apple will do next---

RecordingArts wrote:Wow... Thanks for the info. I had always assumed that the different ports were on different busses... Doh!

I guess short of going eSata (which I've already done) one could add a PCIe/x FireWire card that gives more FireWire busses...

Older computers sometimes had Firewire ports and USB ports on multiple busses (each, of course). My G4 Quicksilver had at least 2 Firewire busses and 2 USB busses. So, your assumption WAS correct... at one time.

I guess they're saving money again, and with the PCIe bandwidth running out the ears for adding cards, they probably saw an opportunity there.

Shooshie

Shooshie wrote:

RecordingArts wrote:Wow... Thanks for the info. I had always assumed that the different ports were on different busses... Doh!

I guess short of going eSata (which I've already done) one could add a PCIe/x FireWire card that gives more FireWire busses...

Older computers sometimes had Firewire ports and USB ports on multiple busses (each, of course). My G4 Quicksilver had at least 2 Firewire busses and 2 USB busses. So, your assumption WAS correct... at one time.

I guess they're saving money again, and with the PCIe bandwidth running out the ears for adding cards, they probably saw an opportunity there.

Shooshie

Shoosh-- busses and not ports?

Seems odd to cut costs and functionality at the same time. People are well stocked with FW gear these days. PCIe may be the new kid on the block, but users are feeling the pinch of bus clog as well as the push to spend unplanned bucks on PCIe cards.

Whynaheck don't I just go find a Quicksilver!!

Interesting information. I appreciate it.

FireWire audio interfaces are really nice in that you just plug and play and are good to go. I guess I've just taken FireWire for granted since it usually just works. (Except when you plug a drive in while audio's playing back) <grin>