So, Winter NAMM attendees...

tw_247 · Post by **tw_247** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:39 pm

Mach Five was never on OS 9

sure was - and i still work with older projects that use it!

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:30 pm

Well, hearing that it's being worked on is better than hearing that it's not going to happen, I suppose. The issue now is that MOTU will probably have to rely on new users moreso than those who got into v1. The troubles they may be having are understandable, but users are in need now, especially pro users who need a fully functional soft sampler in UB right now.

But this plays into other issues of software transitions as well and speaks, at least indirectly, to the trick of recoding software not only for UB but also for optimizing the software to thread data efficienctly to 4+ CPUs. Some UBs appear to have been easier to get to market than others, and MOTU was indeed among the first of the major DAWs to get its hardware drivers updated. Honestly, I was proud of them for this.

Certainly, MOTU can't be any happier about M5v2 than users are. How they will deal with damage control at this point is not at all enviable.

I do hope they follow through with M5v2. And if it is indeed an easy update as they initially promised (ie: free) I will certainly get it. But K2 is on its way and when it arrives my non-rompler samples will be formatted for K2 primarily.

M5 will come in handy for creating samples from scratch if for no other reason than for its GUI. That means I can continue dinking around with v1 with little worry about porting it over to v2 (cross fingers). The other attractive feature of v2 will be that it will run under MAS and (cross toes) will be easier on the CPU than K2 might. An honest side-by-side will reveal much.

"You can't always get want you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need..." ~Mick Jagger

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:22 am

Frodo wrote:Well, hearing that it's being worked on is better than hearing that it's not going to happen, I suppose.

Hobbity minds think alike, but occasionally primate thought-patterns intersect...
It's rare, though.

Anyway, that was my point; how can you dispute this "fact", bdr?
For those in love with Machy, it's the promise of a continued, fruitful relationship.

Long live King Machy.

With renewed fervour (just what we need), monkey resumes his chanting, celebrating with yet another permutation of his one-eyed creation...

Go Machy, K2 Killer, Go Machy, Go Machy
Go Machy, K2 Killer, Go Machy, K2 Killer!
Go Machy, K2 Killer, Go Machy, Go Machy
Go Machy, K2 Killer, Go Machy, K2 Killer!

Sarcazm · Post by **Sarcazm** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:13 am

Still doesn't make sense that Ver 2 is delayed solely because of UB.

The implication from that is that the other platforms are ready, so why not release them?

2006 was a real duff year already for us PC users, while every developer under the sun concentrated on UB at the expense of feature improvements; pls don't tell me 2007 is going to be more of the same....

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:55 am

Sarcazm wrote:Still doesn't make sense that Ver 2 is delayed solely because of UB.

The implication from that is that the other platforms are ready, so why not release them?....

I get the impression that the opposite is true. Clearly there are are problems at issue other than (in addition to) UB. I wouldn't want v2 released if it's not ready no matter how long it takes. (Can you imagine the tone of the thread discussions that would commence were v2 to be released and didn't work?)

In one of the other threads, I mused about some possible legal issues which may be at play here. Often, litigation demands long silences on the part of plaintiff and defendant. This is only spec on my part, but when dealing with a Universal Sampler, there may be concerns over permissions to translate/convert the sample formats and propietary structuring of layering and keyswitching of third-party developers. Again, this is only spec but it's starting to make a little sense.

Some Akai libraries do not translate well, and Akai often has a disclaimer that *some* of their collections are not guaranteed to translate to a non-Akai platform, including universal samplers. Are there advantages for a third-party developer to not share 100% of their trade secrets with MOTU? Hmm.

The more I think about it, the less I believe that the problems are technical-- but no one outside of MOTU can know for sure if it can be said at all.

homebilly · Post by **homebilly** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:14 am

my source said at NAMM that indeed it is in the works and will have a BIG library. will work with Ethno, PSP sounds etc...

Keyswitching as well. finally!

It will be FREE! doesn't know about whether it will run side by side with M51 or not and doesn't know if it will use a NEW type of iLok....?

i said yah, yah, yah.....but it was he that started talking about it to me as i had already given up hope and wasn't even going to ask. that was at least a positive note. i guess....?

he also said real soon but he said that last year too..........

that's what i got out of the NAMM show.

alexff · Post by **alexff** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:25 pm

homebilly wrote:my source said at NAMM that indeed it is in the works and will have a BIG library. will work with Ethno, PSP sounds etc...

So, in other words, Plugsound Pro with more extensive sample import/manipulation.

That's no bad thing. But I was about to put my pounds into a copy of plugsound pro, and now I'm wavering. Grr.

One thing I'm fairly sure of, is that M5V2 won't look identical to the early screen grab we've seen. The wait continues.

bdr · Post by **bdr** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:53 pm

monkey man wrote:
Frodo wrote:Well, hearing that it's being worked on is better than hearing that it's not going to happen, I suppose.
Hobbity minds think alike, but occasionally primate thought-patterns intersect...
It's rare, though.
Anyway, that was my point; how can you dispute this "fact", bdr?
For those in love with Machy, it's the promise of a continued, fruitful relationship.

I certainly hope so because I love it. I was really making a personal comment on my Larry David-like reading of things...Anyhow homebilly's post has just awakened a sliver of positiveness in me.

My dream would be for it to be released on the same day as the next Mac Pro upgrades. I am so ready to move on from my poor overworked G4 867.

mhschmieder · Post by **mhschmieder** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:20 pm

Weren't a couple of those posts meant as jokes? I am finding this thread rather difficult to follow at the moment, because my instinct tells me that at least two posters are being sarcastic and/or playing jokes but without using visual indicators or emoticons.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:49 pm

I get a sense of cautious optimism, actually...

ben00net · Post by **ben00net** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:28 pm

I just recently moved from MAC to PC and sent my V1 Mach 5 back to MOTU for a free swap out to XP Version. They confirmed i would still get the upgrade to v2 once it came out.

I asked the guy were the hell it was (V2), and he replied much the same as everyone else did. "It's in the works and you will be entitled to the upgrade once it's released.

Just another viewpoint from another angle!

Ben

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:44 am

homebilly wrote:my source said at NAMM that indeed it is in the works and will have a BIG library. will work with Ethno, PSP sounds etc...

Yay! Thank you homebilly.

I said all along it would have a big, quality library.
I believe my stated reasoning was that the only real criticism reviewers had of Machy I was the paltry library-offering.

Good call, monkey.

Hang on...

ba_hill · Post by **ba_hill** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:18 pm

Another possibilty for the delay was mentioned a while ago on the motu-mac yahoo group. It might be UviX, the conversion utilty that ships with Mach Five. Here's the message from that group:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/motu ... sage/91743

And here's the news item it refers to:

http://www.cdxtract.com/news.php

Scroll down to to the item titled "CDXTRACT 5 is (still) under development" . It's from last year sometime but it's not too hard to believe that UviX (a Mach Five specific version of CDXTRACT) could be a bit behind schedule.

Brian

Sarcazm wrote:Still doesn't make sense that Ver 2 is delayed solely because of UB.

The implication from that is that the other platforms are ready, so why not release them?

2006 was a real duff year already for us PC users, while every developer under the sun concentrated on UB at the expense of feature improvements; pls don't tell me 2007 is going to be more of the same....

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:23 pm

ba_hill wrote:... (a Mach Five specific version of CDXTRACT) could be a bit behind schedule.

Brian

ya think?

Thanks for the additional info, ba_hill. It's really appreciated.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:01 am

I've had a theory for some time.
The fact that MOTU had nothing to show at NAMM kinda fits it.

It seemed MOTU would show Machy II and DP 5.5 or whatever at NAMM.
My guess is the unforseen stability issues with 5.1 and the subsequent demands of correcting the situation caused the delay.
Remember, it was many painful months that we endured the sysex bug (big) and many others, along with general instability issues.
When MOTU finally released 5.11, it was obvious a fair amount of work had gone into said fixes.
Any delays don't surprise me.

One upside is that instead of being lost in the noise of hype and new releases that is NAMM, MOTU gets some clean air.
If I were them, I'd have been tempted to do this anyway.
Anything more than 3 or 4 weeks post NAMM would seem to be sufficient time, IMHO.
We'll see; it's coming, though. I can feel it!

Monkey-thoughts for your money.

Actually, they're realistically priced at $0.00.

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