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David Polich wrote:Notice he's removed the text of his first post.
Atari ST? Who cares?
Yep-- saw that. Changed the title of the thread, too. But those who read and tried to respond honestly to his inquiry said nothing that would overtly be considered discouraging. And reading the various responses doesn't make it too difficult to determine the essence of the initial thread.
I've always wanted to give as much as I've taken from this place and wouldn't want to be the cause of anyone walking away discouraged. If the guy wanted to run all his MIDI through an abacus, I'd support it as long as he was able to accomplish his goals.
There was such a huge gap between talking points that it was not clear what he was looking for.
But if DP's MIDI performance was really the important issue here, it's not likely any member (new or old) could incite dedicated DP users to suddenly agree that the app is not worth using for that purpose. Had the article been scientifically critical of DP's MIDI functions (as opposed to an older version Cubase's) then it might have even made for a healthy discussion. It just may be that in the end the Atari was the best piece of gear for his purposes.
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I wonder if Mr. Nevermind ever tried MIDI ONLY in Select Audio System menu.
There WERE some roboto-philes I ran across in the 80's who were SLAVISHLY devoted to absolute precision, like a fetish. I thought they were crazy then. It was like if you could hear a tick, or a millisecond difference, then you were better endowed or something.. Jane Child did an interview once, in Keyboard Mag, and she was on and on about how her rig was so tight, the LinnDrum hitting exactly with the (i forget what she had tweaked.) And Imogene from Frou-Frou too, she had an article in Keyboard Mag more recently, where she was going into Pro-Tools (I shoulda known!) and turning down the volume of every kick drum hit that coincided with a bass note (or a snare, I forget which...) to make it 'speak' better. Sheesh!
Well, here's another toast to 'feel' and not 'robotix'.
And best wishes to those (still?) experiencing any MIDI madness, to get it sorted out with help from uni-nation.
Hmm... I don't care for people coming in to the forum, then deleting the posts and seemingly bringing an attitude with them. I say don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Frodo wrote:I've always wanted to give as much as I've taken from this place and wouldn't want to be the cause of anyone walking away discouraged. If the guy wanted to run all his MIDI through an abacus, I'd support it as long as he was able to accomplish his goals.
You weren't the cause of him running away. You answered his question in a polite manner (which you always have), and he respond in a sarcastic manner. He's the one with the bad karma.
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Frodo wrote:I've always wanted to give as much as I've taken from this place and wouldn't want to be the cause of anyone walking away discouraged. If the guy wanted to run all his MIDI through an abacus, I'd support it as long as he was able to accomplish his goals.
You weren't the cause of him running away. You answered his question in a polite manner (which you always have), and he respond in a sarcastic manner. He's the one with the bad karma.
James Steele wrote:Hmm... I don't care for people coming in to the forum, then deleting the posts and seemingly bringing an attitude with them. I say don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Yes, sounds like he was not really coming here looking for help to begin with - joined the day this post appeared and made only 2 posts total, both on this thread, and then deletes the posts and disappears. That's not how one would normally act if you were honestly seeking help.
And I agree with everyone's responses here. DP's MIDI is solid, and I have only had one problem related to MIDI ever........getting the buffers low enough to reduce controller latency without killing CPU......but that is not really a MIDI problem - that is a MAS thing I think. I never experienced the stuck MIDI notes thing that was going around a while back.
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Sorry, Frod's.
Being the genius you are, I should have known better!
Well-intentioned and eager 'though he may be, a lot of stuff goes straight over this monkey's head!
tommymandel wrote:I wonder if Mr. Nevermind ever tried MIDI ONLY in Select Audio System menu.
There WERE some roboto-philes I ran across in the 80's who were SLAVISHLY devoted to absolute precision, like a fetish. I thought they were crazy then. It was like if you could hear a tick, or a millisecond difference, then you were better endowed or something.. Jane Child did an interview once, in Keyboard Mag, and she was on and on about how her rig was so tight, the LinnDrum hitting exactly with the (i forget what she had tweaked.) And Imogene from Frou-Frou too, she had an article in Keyboard Mag more recently, where she was going into Pro-Tools (I shoulda known!) and turning down the volume of every kick drum hit that coincided with a bass note (or a snare, I forget which...) to make it 'speak' better. Sheesh!
Well, here's another toast to 'feel' and not 'robotix'.
And best wishes to those (still?) experiencing any MIDI madness, to get it sorted out with help from uni-nation.
You piqued my interest with the mention of Jane Child. Although he'd never bring it up unless you asked him, Jane Child's original demo (most of which later ended up as her first album with all those hits) was produced by none other than our very own Waxman! He was the guy who introduced her to MIDI and drum machines and synths - before that she was basically a hippie chick who strummed guitar and wrote some songs.
I heard "Don't Wanna Fall In Love" WAY before it was on a released album. Waxman did all the programming and arrangements.
Now here's the even stranger part - I think I saw Jane Child at the Burbank Airport last night while I was there to pick up my wife. Pretty sure it was her - much older, no longer an ingenue, of course.
James Steele wrote:Hmm... I don't care for people coming in to the forum, then deleting the posts and seemingly bringing an attitude with them. I say don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Hey, Jimbo...
That's my line, dood!
I'm polite 'till the end, but when someone defects or the like...
Oh, and I do love saying that line. So much fun.
It's like having a legit reason to say, "snappier"!
David Polich wrote:Jane Child's original demo (most of which later ended up as her first album with all those hits) was produced by none other than our very own Waxman! He was the guy who introduced her to MIDI and drum machines and synths - before that she was basically a hippie chick who strummed guitar and wrote some songs.
I heard "Don't Wanna Fall In Love" WAY before it was on a released album. Waxman did all the programming and arrangements.
Speaking of Waxman, where is he? I haven't seen him in a few weeks that I can remember, and he's been stopping by less frequently. (I don't know Jane Child, so I can't ooh and ahhh over it, but I keep telling people we've got talent in this one-horned nation. Yessiree, we got talent.)
Shooshie
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Hey guys... I have seen this Hexfix guy before on PSW... he did the EXACT SAME THING... asked a question about mixing... got everyone to contribute solutions and ideas, snubbed everyone's responses as insufficient... made everyone angry and then left... if he is not just Trolling... then god help him...
David Polich wrote:Jane Child's original demo (most of which later ended up as her first album with all those hits) was produced by none other than our very own Waxman! He was the guy who introduced her to MIDI and drum machines and synths - before that she was basically a hippie chick who strummed guitar and wrote some songs.
I heard "Don't Wanna Fall In Love" WAY before it was on a released album. Waxman did all the programming and arrangements.
Speaking of Waxman, where is he? I haven't seen him in a few weeks that I can remember, and he's been stopping by less frequently. (I don't know Jane Child, so I can't ooh and ahhh over it, but I keep telling people we've got talent in this one-horned nation. Yessiree, we got talent.)
Shooshie
I think Waxman has been on vacation recently.
You can check out tracks from Jane Child's first album here:
Most people I talk to don't remember "Don't Wanna Fall in Love" until they hear it, then it comes back to them, it was a huge 80's hit. The D-50 bells were added for that track, but basically what you hear is what Waxman programmed, arranged, and recorded. I think he was using Performer at that time, one of the first guys to use it extensively. The recording was 16-track analog, I think it was an Otari through a Trident board. I don't remember what synths were used - maybe a Prophet T-8, an Oberheim, I think either a Linn Drum or Drumulator, and some DX stuff. Those Jane Child tracks were ahead of their time. It was all recorded in Laguna Beach, CA - not Berlin or London like you might think..
Yes I remember the Keyboard magazine interviews with her, and all that talk about micro-editing and rigid quantiing etc. I thought that was taking timing way too seriously and going overboard with it.
