DP7 first impressions

michkhol · Post by **michkhol** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:11 pm

Tobor wrote: Are all Intel Macs 64 bit SL-able or just the most recent models? What's the differential?
Tobor

See the table here.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:21 pm

michkhol wrote:
Tobor wrote: Are all Intel Macs 64 bit SL-able or just the most recent models? What's the differential?
Tobor
See the table here.

Thanks for the link michkhol,that is very helpful.

Tobor · Post by **Tobor** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:31 pm

kgdrum wrote:
michkhol wrote:
Tobor wrote: Are all Intel Macs 64 bit SL-able or just the most recent models? What's the differential?
Tobor
See the table here.
Thanks for the link michkhol,that is very helpful.

Yes, thank you!!

Tobor

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:56 pm

If anyone's interested, I updated the file in my "First Impressions" post that was linked to the Concertino da Camera by Jacques Ibert. It's a lot more balanced and the strings are in time, but the new saxophone sound is not satisfactory yet. That library is being resampled and will be re-released soon. Hopefully I'll have a better sax to work with then. If not, I'll just play it myself. This is one concerto I still know by memory!

And assuming that if you're interested you'd rather not scroll back, HERE is the same link, repeated.

•100% Wallander for all winds
•100% VSL for all strings
•Altiverb: Berlin Phil Hall
•MOTU MW Leveler - Limiter
•DP7
•bounced straight to mp3
•All instruments are in pre-render mode.
•4'25" bounced in about 1'30" on dual duo Mac Pro.

Cool piece, but still lots of room for improvement -- especially in the sax sound. Sorry about that; small steps. Small steps.

Shooshie

rikp · Post by **rikp** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:01 pm

Shooshie wrote:If anyone's interested, I updated the file in my "First Impressions" post that was linked to the Concertino da Camera by Jacques Ibert. It's a lot more balanced and the strings are in time, but the new saxophone sound is not satisfactory yet. That library is being resampled and will be re-released soon. Hopefully I'll have a better sax to work with then. If not, I'll just play it myself. This is one concerto I still know by memory!

And assuming that if you're interested you'd rather not scroll back, HERE is the same link, repeated.

•100% Wallander for all winds
•100% VSL for all strings
•Altiverb: Berlin Phil Hall
•MOTU MW Leveler - Limiter
•DP7
•bounced straight to mp3
•All instruments are in pre-render mode.
•4'25" bounced in about 1'30" on dual duo Mac Pro.

Cool piece, but still lots of room for improvement -- especially in the sax sound. Sorry about that; small steps. Small steps.

Shooshie

The sax is getting better??? Did you change anything? You need to go for the gold ring and play the optional altissimo part in the middle. I would give you a measure number but I don't have the score in front of me! This was quite an undertaking!!!!!! You are to be commended for your efforts!

Peace

Rik

Kubi · Post by **Kubi** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:45 pm

richardein wrote:Anyone using snow leopard ewqlso Play and dp7 yet? The last I checked Play wasn't officially supported on SL.

It's working here so far. 2x2.8GHz MacPro, OS10.6.1, newest EW Play. In DP6 you have to (still) make sure you run it in real time. Apparently in DP7 that issue is gone. I'll know soon.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:35 pm

rikp wrote:The sax is getting better??? Did you change anything? You need to go for the gold ring and play the optional altissimo part in the middle. I would give you a measure number but I don't have the score in front of me! This was quite an undertaking!!!!!! You are to be commended for your efforts!

Thanks, Rik, but I must confess that I cringe at the sound of that sax. It's just not focused and tight enough. Needs a darker core. Arne Wallander is going to release a new set of them this week, and he thinks it'll be more like what I'm looking for. I'll definitely let you know if it makes it better.

As for your other question, yes, I changed almost everything but the strings, having worked on them a couple of weeks ago to change them to VSL. I originally recorded this several years ago in MSI. I've tried to use the same parts, but it's required rephrasing literally everything. Plus, I worked all night long trying to get those WIVI saxes to produce a classical sound. This is the best I can do for now. They just don't have that core. I hear a lot more to do in the mix, too. Honestly, I think it would have been easier to start from scratch than to try to change libraries.

But DP7 has inspired me to go back and finish some things. We'll see how it does for the 2nd and 3rd movements, which I'll play from scratch. It feels so good to work in DP7, because all those little things that I used to have to dodge and go out of my way to avoid, now they work fine. Even Tap Tempo is almost there. I can get a working conductor track from it with a few edits. Things are getting exciting in DP-Land these days.

Shooshie
PS: That altissimo part to double-F is kinda tacky. Sigurd Rascher added that. But I do play the ones up to A, which sound more natural.

Eleventh Hour Sound · Post by **Eleventh Hour Sound** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:15 pm

I'm feeling the love. MOTU must be proud

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:17 pm

FMiguelez wrote:
kgdrum wrote:
draxo wrote:Does this DP7 version allow you to use more than 2gig of RAM?

Thanks

Draxo
that limitation is more OS based, it is not a limitation of DP,that is why people are excited about Snow Leopard 64 bit,
it gives us more available ram potentially......but you will need a newer Intel based Mac that meets Apples,64 bit SL spec.
this will get most of us PPC holdouts going for newer Intel based Macs sooner rather then later!
KG
But it's never been 2 Gigas... it's been more like 4 (minus whatever DP and OSX use), right?
At least in theory...

Hehehe... well then we could have had some fun and answered the question simply: "Yes."

Imagine the rumors that might start!

Eleventh Hour Sound · Post by **Eleventh Hour Sound** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:52 pm

Yep, DP7 will let you use more than 2 Gigs of Ram!

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:02 pm

James Steele wrote:Hehehe... well then we could have had some fun and answered the question simply: "Yes." Imagine the rumors that might start!

Funny how that works. I mean, this is an absolutely true statement:

DP7 ENABLES YOU TO EXCEED 2 GIGABYTES OF RAM!!!

And yet it's so misleading! We all let our minds fill in blanks that aren't there.

Shooshie

jliechty · Post by **jliechty** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:04 pm

FMiguelez wrote:
kgdrum wrote: that limitation is more OS based, it is not a limitation of DP,that is why people are excited about Snow Leopard 64 bit,
it gives us more available ram potentially......but you will need a newer Intel based Mac that meets Apples,64 bit SL spec.
this will get most of us PPC holdouts going for newer Intel based Macs sooner rather then later!
KG
But it's never been 2 Gigas... it's been more like 4 (minus whatever DP and OSX use), right?
At least in theory...

Snow Leopard, using the 32 bit kernel, can address more than 4GB of RAM with PAE. However, 32 bit processes are limited to 4GB of RAM* each. On a 64 bit CPU, the 32 bit kernel can run 64 bit applications, which have a much larger per-process memory limit. The 64 bit kernel doesn't add anything in this respect; 32 bit applications (DP7, Logic 9, etc.) still get only 4GB under the 64 bit kernel. Apple has artificially restricted the 64 bit kernel from all but the newest machines. It requires 64 bit drivers, which MOTU should have available "soon." Since it only brings a slight performance increase and raises limits that were already reasonably high, don't lose much sleep if your Mac can't go "fully" 64 bit.

Or, how I learned to stop worrying and love my "32 bit" Mac (soon to be joined by DP 7).

*AppleInsider | Road to Snow Leopard: twice the RAM, half the price, 64-bits

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:08 pm

jliechty wrote: Snow Leopard, using the 32 bit kernel, can address more than 4GB of RAM with PAE. However, 32 bit processes are limited to 4GB of RAM* each. On a 64 bit CPU, the 32 bit kernel can run 64 bit applications, which have a much larger per-process memory limit. The 64 bit kernel doesn't add anything in this respect; 32 bit applications (DP7, Logic 9, etc.) still get only 4GB under the 64 bit kernel. Apple has artificially restricted the 64 bit kernel from all but the newest machines. It requires 64 bit drivers, which MOTU should have available "soon." Since it only brings a slight performance increase and raises limits that were already reasonably high, don't lose much sleep if your Mac can't go "fully" 64 bit.

Now who can argue with that?!

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:28 pm

Well perhaps if Shooshie had said "don't matter to me." Because it IS highly subjective. But this is new release time and the rules of the game our you simply MUST find something to pick at about the new release. So the interface elements are too small now. Don't know how MOTU fixes that. My subjective opinon is that I disagree and I'm using a 30" Widescreen monitor. Opinions are "like noses"...

sdfalk · Post by **sdfalk** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:24 pm

Opinions are "like noses"...

they can each be picked?

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