So when are you going to upgrade to DP8??

[kgdrum]

unfortunately no,false hopes dashed!
ATI's actual site just shows updates for Windows and on the Apple site the last update was March 2008.
I also notice mine is 256 mb, i don't see any where any designation stating the card is 32bit or 64 bit, I suspect it's 32bit since it was a cheaper card 4 years ago.
Why the system has a snappier feel and the video doesn't is a bit strange.By all appearances it seems 32bit vid cards don't benefit from the 64bit kernel like the rest of the Mac does.
Maybe the cards are too old and underpowered for later operating systems......I don't know.....will keep looking.
overall I see too many advantages processor wise running in the 64bit kernel for a few sluggish redraws to bother me enough to go back to 32bit kernel.

So far.....to be continued

[twistedtom]

I am going to order as soon as I can, 64 bits is the kicker.

[FutureLegends]

Shooshie: I've been trying to say the same thing as you. You managed to say it much more elaborate and better than me though.

Dan and I have both successfully pushed 64bit apps in 32bit kernel to use more than 4gb ram which really should end that speculation.

As for 64bit apps using 32bit drivers: I can use my MOTU interface which has 32bit drivers in 64bit FInal Cut Pro X running 32bit kernel. I'd be surprised if DP8 wouldn't be able to do the same.

All my experiences (supported by Dan pushing Firefox to use 7gb ram under 32bit kernel) and everything I've read points to the conclusion that yes we can use more than 4gb ram in DP8 under 32bit kernel. The only worry here is that hardware developers stop providing 32bit drivers, at which point we're f***ed. I don't feel this will happen in a couple of years though. And by then I hope to have a new computer anyway

[zed]

By all appearances it seems 32bit vid cards don't benefit from the 64bit kernel like the rest of the Mac does.
Maybe the cards are too old and underpowered for later operating systems......I don't know.....will keep looking.
overall I see too many advantages processor wise running in the 64bit kernel for a few sluggish redraws to bother me enough to go back to 32bit kernel.

I am definitely eager to find out more about this over the next few days. I have a feeling we're going to figure it out. But since my new graphics card is still within it's 30 day return period, I have the option to exchange it for a faster card... though I'm not sure I am bothered enough to pursue the replacement with a faster and more expensive card.

[sdfalk]

Ordering it and installing it, on the same day..

[monkey man]

I'm second on the list down here in Jung... I mean, Aus.

[sdfalk]

the monkey has been working out..woah

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I have the ATI Radian HD 2600

My machine (purchased used) came with an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT which also do not have updates for Macs. Graphics aren't wonky all the time, but redraws can create some artifacts. Then again, I noticed artifacts before - just different ones. My monitors are Viewsonics (VA2431 & 2439 [discontinued]).

[MIDI Life Crisis]

the monkey has been working out..woah

He's the one on the left! Still attracted to those big faced gals...

[buzzsmith]

I'll wait and read all of the other MotuNation members' posts first!

Buzzy

[kgdrum]

Last night I noticed the Apple Radeon 5770 upgrade kit:
This seems to be a popular card, for MacPro's
I might try it @ some point.....
The card that's in Zed & my rig seems under powered 256mb
The 5770 is 1 gig
The old card was designed for Tiger the 5770 requires SL which is more 64bit aware.
I suspect most of the graphic anomalies some of us have noticed are caused by underpowered cards that were designed for earlier OS, operating in a 32 bit kernel.
The last firmware update for the card both Zed & I use was March 2008.

[dix]

And anyone using Bidule in 32 bit should also be able to do an experiment for us. Just not Kontakt and PLAY, because they found non-standard ways to do it. Though it does suggest that it should be possible for a developer to get a DAW to do the same thing if they worked at it.

This is all very interesting. I'm feeling a sense of suspense...

Good idea! The current version of Bidule is 32bit, but there is a Beta version that I tried this on. By copying and pasting loaded Ivory II instruments (which don't use a sample-server scheme) the 32bit version won't go above 2.85GB without giving out-of-memory messages. However, the 64bit version of Bidule loads well above 4GB while booted into 32bit mode (my only choice). I noticed it gets a little sluggish after 3GB or so, but I went past 8GB in the Activity Monitor no problem. …so, if I ever have a project with 12 pianos I'm in good shape.

[Dan Worley]

…so, if I ever have a project with 12 pianos I'm in good shape.

I liked that one.

[Armageddon]

I'll wait til DP 9 (and a faster computer). I'm in no rush ...

[Shooshie]

However, the 64bit version of Bidule loads well above 4GB while booted into 32bit mode (my only choice). I noticed it gets a little sluggish after 3GB or so, but I went past 8GB in the Activity Monitor no problem. …so, if I ever have a project with 12 pianos I'm in good shape.

Folks. There is our answer. If MOTU makes DP otherwise, then it's not because our computers wouldn't handle it. And MOTU always tries to favor the lesser computers, so I think we're in good shape. I'm willing to bet that my Mac Pro 1.1, which will only run the 32 bit kernel, will run DP 8 just great in 64 bits, with all the RAM it needs.

Shooshie