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KEVORKIAN wrote:

toodamnhip wrote: ANd the fact that you can get a 14,000 Lexicon verb, actually, more because you have to consider the separate costs of ALL the reverbs included, shows how much technology is taking out of Lexicon's pocket.
Instead of making 24000 for all those verbs, they make 1900.

This will be the same for musicians and writers..

The technology will get so good, so ubiquitous, it will drive the price of music down in the same ration as that.
What does 25000 down to 1900 come out to?

These plugins are actually modeled after the current PCM96 not the 960. The PCM96 generally retails for a more reachable $2700 to $3000.

I don't think that Lex is in a hurry to give away the 960 for so little, however there is another company that is attempting a plugin based off of the 960 so we'll see.

All that said, you can get the 960 impulses in Altiverb for $600 so this ship started sailing years ago.

I hear what your saying here. It a drag that people are having problems with this plugin already but it will get worked out for that price because it's a boutique item and even to go all the way with convolution it's going to cost you. Great environment processing has never been a cheap endeavor.

I have zero interest in the Lexi native plug; I just recently got turned on to ArtsAcoustic Reverb, which is nothing short of phenomenal. I still love my CSR 'verbs, especially in a scoring situation, where I have to match up other VIs to my SampleTank VIs, but I think I'll be using ArtsAcoustic for everything else. Switchable 32/64 bit processing, really lush sounds ... I was never too keen on a convolution reverb, but it seemed like the way to go to get "real" reverb. ArtsAcoustic sounds very real to me. It really boils down to whether or not the $1,900 will be heard in the final product, or whether you can find a great reverb for a lot less that essential does the same thing and comes across just as well in a final mix. That, and for $1,900, I can buy myself a Nehalem quad-core iMac, which, I assure you, would help me out a great deal more than having "real Lexicon reverbs".

I also disagree that technology will supplant original music or even engineering -- it's like claiming that Photoshop will someday kill great original graphic artwork. Stuff like GarageBand or Band-In-A-Box or Sony's movie soundtrack-making software may help a novice put together a song or an instrumental ... but it'll be a song and/or instrumental dictated by the abilities of whoever programmed it. In fact, if anything, having access to this technology will make the people who come up with original songs, guitar riffs, drumbeats, synth melodies, bass lines, quirky retro music production and inventive workarounds seem all the more amazing. As for sound engineering, they've had software that was to allegedly make anyone capable of producing music around for a while now (plugs like Prosoniq's Dynasone come to mind) and it still boils down to the impossible-to-nail-down conceit that no two people seem capable of engineering music the same way. In fact, most of the home-brewed bedroom studio engineers that have emerged in the wake of the DAW revolution are still making the exact same mistakes they were making on cassette four- and eight-tracks, despite having the ability to recreate Abbey Road's entire recording rig for a few grand's worth of software.

If software emerged that set levels, tweaked EQ and mixed an entire song to a pre-set standard for you, you'd still have to factor in orchestration, arrangements, panning, playing, mic'ing, mistakes, comping ... the jillion other things required to put a song together properly. And in quite a few cases, thinking outside of this standard is what makes a song special, anyway. Unless they convert Bob Ezrin's brain to a downloadable AI that will supervise every step of your recording for you someday (and even if they do!), I think composers, performers and engineers are probably safe for a good long while.

Armageddon wrote:I have zero interest in the Lexi native plug; I just recently got turned on to ArtsAcoustic Reverb, which is nothing short of phenomenal. I still love my CSR 'verbs, especially in a scoring situation, where I have to match up other VIs to my SampleTank VIs, but I think I'll be using ArtsAcoustic for everything else. Switchable 32/64 bit processing, really lush sounds ... I was never too keen on a convolution reverb, but it seemed like the way to go to get "real" reverb. ArtsAcoustic sounds very real to me. It really boils down to whether or not the $1,900 will be heard in the final product, or whether you can find a great reverb for a lot less that essential does the same thing and comes across just as well in a final mix. That, and for $1,900, I can buy myself a Nehalem quad-core iMac, which, I assure you, would help me out a great deal more than having "real Lexicon reverbs".

I also disagree that technology will supplant original music or even engineering -- it's like claiming that Photoshop will someday kill great original graphic artwork. Stuff like GarageBand or Band-In-A-Box or Sony's movie soundtrack-making software may help a novice put together a song or an instrumental ... but it'll be a song and/or instrumental dictated by the abilities of whoever programmed it. In fact, if anything, having access to this technology will make the people who come up with original songs, guitar riffs, drumbeats, synth melodies, bass lines, quirky retro music production and inventive workarounds seem all the more amazing. As for sound engineering, they've had software that was to allegedly make anyone capable of producing music around for a while now (plugs like Prosoniq's Dynasone come to mind) and it still boils down to the impossible-to-nail-down conceit that no two people seem capable of engineering music the same way. In fact, most of the home-brewed bedroom studio engineers that have emerged in the wake of the DAW revolution are still making the exact same mistakes they were making on cassette four- and eight-tracks, despite having the ability to recreate Abbey Road's entire recording rig for a few grand's worth of software.

If software emerged that set levels, tweaked EQ and mixed an entire song to a pre-set standard for you, you'd still have to factor in orchestration, arrangements, panning, playing, mic'ing, mistakes, comping ... the jillion other things required to put a song together properly. And in quite a few cases, thinking outside of this standard is what makes a song special, anyway. Unless they convert Bob Ezrin's brain to a downloadable AI that will supervise every step of your recording for you someday (and even if they do!), I think composers, performers and engineers are probably safe for a good long while.

I hope you're right my brotha...

The Lexicon plug sounds as good as the PCM96 and you can use a bunch of them if you need to.
For me this plug is totally worth the price.
I've got a boatload of other verbs, outboard and software.
The Lex is just another flavor, but it is becoming my "go to" verb.
It is worth checking out.

frankymax wrote:you're right Wurli- I just bopped over to the Lexicon website an wrote up a report and submitted it- tahnks for reminding me!

I was just curious Frank... any word on this issue?

y'know- I have not received a response from Lexicon about my weird distortion, but they may already be aware of it as from what I've read elsewhere an update is expected sometime this month- still- I wish they had replied to at least let me know they received my report. It's been working fine otherwise and I gotta say, it blows away all my other reverbs.

frankymax wrote:y'know- I have not received a response from Lexicon about my weird distortion, but they may already be aware of it as from what I've read elsewhere an update is expected sometime this month- still- I wish they had replied to at least let me know they received my report. It's been working fine otherwise and I gotta say, it blows away all my other reverbs.

That's pretty strange that it only has an effect if it's used with multiple VI counts or whatever... at that price for a plugin... it should be the MOST stable plug in your arsenal... I want to get one but I never go with the first iterations of anything...

frankymax wrote:y'know- I have not received a response from Lexicon about my weird distortion, but they may already be aware of it as from what I've read elsewhere an update is expected sometime this month- still- I wish they had replied to at least let me know they received my report. It's been working fine otherwise and I gotta say, it blows away all my other reverbs.

I've dealt with this issue on other reverb plugs (PSP EasyVerb, WaveArts, Korg MDE-X) and DP 5/6, and the solution always seems to be the same thing: the plug manufacturer eventually releases an update that fixes the anomaly. Well, PSP and WaveArts did, anyway. Still waiting for Korg to get their act together.