Saw DP7.1 at NAMM Today!!!

[Babz]

Here's the MOTU 7.1 video demo...

http://en.vstlife.com/?p=144

Happy viewing!

Awesome. Thanks for posting this. But does anyone know of a link to a more full length video? This one is highly abridged and skips over some the most intriguing new features, like the new Track Folders features.

Thanks,
Babz

[KEVORKIAN]

Hi:

I was able to open both the 'r1 v127 int logo' DP file
and the 'r3 v107 copy' DP file in under 30 seconds using DP 7.02.
I didn't try the other files.

Charles

hi charles thanks for that..

it's interesting/ good to hear. i dont mind being wrong ( good job really )

and are the saves equally fast?

why do you think my brand new mac book pro on 10.6.1 is so slow opening? ( i think I got 4gig RAM in there )

it's also crawling on my mac pro dual 3ghz -

everythin else is fine - great infact! just slow saves and loads.. seeing as I havent crashed in about a week it's not massive - and I can sllip it into my work flow (unless director in room then gets a bit nervy )

I just tried to open the same files that Charles tried and they both open in under 30 seconds and the saves were in the 2-5 second range.

[martian]

hey thanks for confirming that K!

so i just put 7.02 on my wifes macbook - and downloaded the same files as you guys..

and guess what?!!! they open in under 30s...

is it because of no audio files being present I wonder?

Are you guys generally working with just VI's? and synths n stuff - as opposed to lots n lots of audio files?

[martian]

Here's the MOTU 7.1 video demo...

http://en.vstlife.com/?p=144

Happy viewing!

yes thanks - those new automation trims look handy too!

[KEVORKIAN]

hey thanks for confirming that K!

so i just put 7.02 on my wifes macbook - and downloaded the same files as you guys..

and guess what?!!! they open in under 30s...

is it because of no audio files being present I wonder?

Are you guys generally working with just VI's? and synths n stuff - as opposed to lots n lots of audio files?

I'm generally working with a lot of audio files although your project does have more short clips than what I generally deal with.

I make it a point to merge soundbites and clean out extraneous soundbites very regularly. This is something I started doing back in DP 2.7 and it's always helped with DP's performance.

Try duplicating one of these projects and merging/deleting soundbites and then test...

[martian]

I just copied the audio files back to the macbook - and once again the loads returned to the several minutes...

i guess it's one of those limitations of DP that I can live with. i cant merge stuff really until the very last moment - generally I am still premixing dialog til last minute - fine tuning foley etc - so merging would loose muted alt takes for instance and also s/bite names,, I can see what you mean about merging - but I am trading off long loads and saves for client driven flexibility right up to last unfortunate second..


I may experiment again -

this project is in AIFF - I may try wav files and compare!

I must admit - I dont pick up my guitar much these days - but those new amp models are a wet dream! can the latency come close to a hardware? - something else to try when less busy!

[KEVORKIAN]

I just copied the audio files back to the macbook - and once again the loads returned to the several minutes...

i guess it's one of those limitations of DP that I can live with. i cant merge stuff really until the very last moment - generally I am still premixing dialog til last minute - fine tuning foley etc - so merging would loose muted alt takes for instance and also s/bite names,, I can see what you mean about merging - but I am trading off long loads and saves for client driven flexibility right up to last unfortunate second..


I may experiment again -

this project is in AIFF - I may try wav files and compare!

I must admit - I dont pick up my guitar much these days - but those new amp models are a wet dream! can the latency come close to a hardware? - something else to try when less busy!

Do us a favor and also try copying the project and merging/deleting all the soundbites and then test open/save. Just to see if there is any merit to the theory that this is causing your delay. I'd be interested to know especially now that I am familiar with your session

[martian]

hi K - yep you bang to rights guv!

after merging my save went from 40 million years to less than half an iceage.. ( err thats less than a second)

changing file formats has no effect..

if u got a million bites then it's gonna take that long.. i am assuming the autosave will be the same?

what I will say - is that workign with DP is WAAAAAAAY less frustrating than with an yammy 02R - i mean the lock times of the things could be up to 20 secounds? not to mention dodgy compressors - actually list goes a bit further than that...

as long as it dont crash we allright - it hasnt for a week or so actually.. but u never can tell can u?

[KEVORKIAN]

Thanks for doing that, Martian. Definitely gives us some insight into what can slow DP down and how to overcome it if need be. Glad you are getting along well with DP in general.

[BobK]

I suspect that save and load times would be shorter in DP 7 in part because fades are now calculated in real-time, not saved as separate fade files.

I haven't done a comparison of save/load times, but during editing sessions, I've found DP 7 much more responsive when doing crossfades - no more hangs when playing back the edit to check it, scrolling, etc. Big improvement.

[martian]

that seems likely Bob...

i will take a look at the fades - my pet peeve was that if u changed soundbite gain then it would forget to render those and they often popped as the it 'jumped" into the fade region..

hopefully this will sort it out.. is there any trade off with the realtime fades? it seems there must be more maths involved? so that suggests CPU hit? unless they doing somethign funky with pre-render so it just seems like a realtime fade

anyways! I think this week I have lived and learned! and definitely getting on well with DP!! ( the odd niggle - but come on - it's rocking in general )

I am too busy to take everything over to 7.1 now -just dipping my toes in - but may well give it a go after chinese new year.

[BobK]

is there any trade off with the realtime fades? it seems there must be more maths involved? so that suggests CPU hit?

I can't say for sure, and I certainly haven't pushed DP very hard since upgrading to 7 (no heavy editing with lots of fades). But I was concerned about CPU hit - I'm on an old G5 - and haven't noticed any problems.

I did an informal, rough comparison of overall CPU efficiency of DP 5.13, 6.02, and 7.01 a while back, by making copies of a multitrack audio project and checking DP's CPU meter during playback. DP 5 was the most efficient, DP 7 a little less efficient than 5, and DP 6 used significantly more CPU power.

[mhschmieder]

The feature list is quite impressive, for a point release. I think this will remove any complaints about how DP 7 should have been a free DP 6.5 maintenance release instead.

If auto-save works as advertised, all of our lives will be made easier, since sometimes it is not possible to do a save due to a process that has grabbed focus, or we might forget due to frustration at slow load times etc.

[KEVORKIAN]

If auto-save works as advertised, all of our lives will be made easier, since sometimes it is not possible to do a save due to a process that has grabbed focus, or we might forget due to frustration at slow load times etc.

Thus far it works as advertised and it is awesome.

[mhschmieder]

Thanks -- I'll go ahead and do the update this weekend then, in spite of the bitchfest going on in another posting.