Finale 2009 Ships

[MIDI Life Crisis]

[quote="Frodo...The Aria audio engine, imho, is probably the best news of all...[/quote]

Not to throw a fly in the ointment, but some are reporting arbitrary transpositions using the Aria Player.

http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=236472

[Frodo]

...The Aria audio engine, imho, is probably the best news of all...

Not to throw a fly in the ointment, but some are reporting arbitrary transpositions using the Aria Player.

http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=236472

Ugh-- NOW you tell me!

I just installed it on my production machine in Leo. Hmm. I'll give it a try, but I smell "uninstall". I'm simply not going to deal with any mess this time around.

Thanks for the tip.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Ugh-- NOW you tell me!

Frankly, I didn't know, but I am now having to setup my quartet and am messing with Kontakt stand alone, which is NOT working... I may just have to continue with outboard gear for now. I hope not...

[Frodo]

Well, the latest is that Finale 2k9 doesn't even know that Garritan is there!

Can you say "Preparation Ache"?

[Frodo]

I'm doing my first scores in 2009b and just had to submit a support ticket because:

1. Not all of the staves in the score appear in the Extract Parts dialog. I'm actually making new documents from scratch and copying/pasting in the parts from the score.

2. Extracted parts are coming out with the first two or more pages in 8.5 x 11 while the rest of the pages might be a just about any size. I go to Document>Page Format> Parts to find the desired page size set properly. This dialog can be opened in a variety of ways, but all windows show the desired page size. The only way I can get all the pages of all the extracted parts to display properly is to use the Layout Tool to reset the page size there.

3. Extracted parts also extract a portion of the default "Full Score" indication from the upper left hand corner, so that I get stuff like "Full Flute 2", "Full French horn 4", "Full Viola", etc. Manually retyping in the part name is the only workaround, but it contributes to Finale's time consuming redundancies. It may be of little consequence with 4-5 parts, but on an orchestral score of 30+ staves (with 20+ scores to do), this gets really tedious.

4. Multimeasure rests don't always extract properly. They do sometimes, but I have to extract the same part 3-4 times before it kicks in. That is *without* changing the preferences in Edit> Multimeasure Rests> Create For Parts/Score, so there's something funky going on beneath the surface.

I still miss the Mass Mover in a big way.

Oh-- and what is this Measure Stack silliness? I used to be able to delete a measure of score by clicking one measure and hitting delete. Now, I have to select ALL the same measure in a full score? Resizing the display and scrolling around to make the measure selections don't make this any easier. I fail to understand the purpose of this and find that a great many features take longer to execute where several additional key strokes and mouse clicks are now required.

Dunno-- I'm not totally sold, but at least it's not crashing

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Well, I feel terrible as I told you how great F2009 was (and is for me). The measure stack delete thing I actually like. I don't delete a measure if all I want to do is clear the data. Save mousing over to the edit menu. Here too, multimeasure rests are weird sometimes - and I also cannot combine all measures (as if there is a tempo change or something preventing it). But there is nothing there. Bug.

As for extracting (dare I say this?) have you tried linked parts? They seem pretty reliable. I was (obviously) used to extraction as well, but linking was so much easier, IMO, and changes got incorporated. Haven't seen the page format bug except where measures were added and the default format (letter size) was used for the new pages.

I also see more issues in the MakeMusic site for Intel machines than PPC machines. I'm on a PPC so maybe that is a factor?

OK, I'm waffling a bit now .... mmmmm, waffles!

4 star waffles...?

http://losangeles.citysearch.com/profil ... affle.html

[Frodo]

Well, I feel terrible as I told you how great F2009 was (and is for me). The measure stack delete thing I actually like. I don't delete a measure if all I want to do is clear the data. Save mousing over to the edit menu. Here too, multimeasure rests are weird sometimes - and I also cannot combine all measures (as if there is a tempo change or something preventing it). But there is nothing there. Bug.

As for extracting (dare I say this?) have you tried linked parts? They seem pretty reliable. I was (obviously) used to extraction as well, but linking was so much easier, IMO, and changes got incorporated. Haven't seen the page format bug except where measures were added and the default format (letter size) was used for the new pages.

I also see more issues in the MakeMusic site for Intel machines than PPC machines. I'm on a PPC so maybe that is a factor?

OK, I'm waffling a bit now .... mmmmm, waffles!

4 star waffles...?

http://losangeles.citysearch.com/profil ... affle.html

Mmmmm. Waaaaaaaaaaaaffles. <slobber>

And, don't feel bad about making the recommendation. 2009 is more stable than most previous versions. That alone is a step in the right direction. Measure stacks? Hmm. Click-delete was a no-brainer, but click-scroll-click-oops-click-scroll again-click-oops is what gets annoying. Selecting measures from the menu is no faster.

But I had a better appreciation for shift-command-x where deleting notes were concerned. It's just more clicking now.

LInked parts? Easier? I'll have to give that another go at your recommendation. That would do much good if Finale doesn't *know* that a staff is even in the score. That was the strangest thing I've ever seen.

I should have been done with this current formatting process 3 hours ago, based upon my average Finale workflow. It's not learning all the new changes that bugs me. It's when the new changes take a lot more time to implement that causes the problem. Most of these workarounds take less than a minute to do, but throughout a single day such workarounds for a score of 30 staves can add 30 minutes PER WORKAROUND. Clearly, I've had six individual hurdles that set me back about 3 hours today.

I'll have to check on those Intel issues. Thanks for the heads up.

But for now, it's only the stuff that doesn't work as it should that concerns me the most.

[djc]

Been rebuilding a porch railing so have been OOT re 2009. (Porch looks good for a guitar player!). Thanks to MLC, Frodo (BTW, you guys should call each other ) and others for the running comments on how the update is working. Very excited until Frodo began having problems. Was this score imported from DP? Maybe that is contributing to the hiccups. I work mostly like MLC (compose in Finale-sometimes short score and sometimes MOL full score) but do "audio only" stuff in DP. Can't help but think that something unseen is sent to Finale other than notes and durations.

Will probably make the jump as 08 is a major PITA, even when it isn't crashing. Then will add my 3 cents to the mix.

[Phil O]

Umm. You're a little late to the game, djc. Finale 2010 is now shipping.

Phil

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I like 2010 a lot.

[djc]

Ooops. I'm only one year behind on this post! Really meant 2010-am using 09 now (with similar problems mentioned). Too much sun and wood filler I guess.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Ooops. I'm only one year behind on this post! Really meant 2010-am using 09 now (with similar problems mentioned). Too much sun and wood filler I guess.

Not quite a year yet, you still have 7 days to take advantage of special deals before the warranty on the initial post expires. I'd bet 2011 is already a gleam in the eye of the marketing person. Who will be the cover boy or girl this time? The cool jazz trumpet. The clean cut young collegiate trombonist? Or maybe they'll get real and put a beer bellied, cigarette smokin' composer at the keyboard? I think Tom Waits would class that joint down a bit - in a good way.

Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout..

[djc]

Or maybe they'll get real and put a beer bellied, cigarette smokin' composer at the keyboard? I think Tom Waits would class that joint down a bit - in a good way.

LOL though I think "real" for Finale would be an old geezer (speaking for myself?) with a wild-eyed grimace as s/he faces an unrealistic deadline and the damn dynamics keep jumping around and the . . . . Probably wouldn't help sales much though. BTW-love Waits rat-stabbers. Talk about being ahead of the fashion curve.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Or maybe they'll get real and put a beer bellied, cigarette smokin' composer at the keyboard? I think Tom Waits would class that joint down a bit - in a good way.

LOL though I think "real" for Finale would be an old geezer (speaking for myself?) with a wild-eyed grimace as s/he faces an unrealistic deadline and the damn dynamics keep jumping around and the . . . . Probably wouldn't help sales much though. BTW-love Waits rat-stabbers. Talk about being ahead of the fashion curve.

Well REALLY REAL would be to have the old guy sitting in his underwear (or less) at 3AM with a glass of brandy and a tangle of notes onscreen in a full orchestral mockup... But I doubt it. We might get something like this for the old folks. And frankly, I wouldn't want to see this guy in his underwear... again... I just hope I've been forgiven for his sins.

[Frodo]

Been rebuilding a porch railing so have been OOT re 2009. (Porch looks good for a guitar player!). Thanks to MLC, Frodo (BTW, you guys should call each other ) and others for the running comments on how the update is working. Very excited until Frodo began having problems. Was this score imported from DP? Maybe that is contributing to the hiccups. I work mostly like MLC (compose in Finale-sometimes short score and sometimes MOL full score) but do "audio only" stuff in DP. Can't help but think that something unseen is sent to Finale other than notes and durations.

Will probably make the jump as 08 is a major PITA, even when it isn't crashing. Then will add my 3 cents to the mix.

Don't mind me. I should have reported a few days ago that I narrowed down the problem to a single project file which was taken from a flash drive-- transferred from my MacBook Pro to my Intel Tower. This wasn't a DP import at all. Something just went wrong with the one score. I rebuilt the score and moved along. All other scores created at the same time were just fine with 2009, which itself is working just fine.

Since there are so many positive reports about 2010, I think I'll order it.

Granted-- I'm still a little hesitant having JUST gotten 2009 figured out, but if it's a sign the Make Music has really gotten its ducks in a row, then I'm all for it.

Oh-- and MLC and I have actually hung out. I get the feeling that we've got a WHOLE lot of hanging out to catch up on, let alone Finale-related stuff.