DP Vs Logic Pro 7.2

[Dr_simon]

Im using Logic 7.2 at the mo, I'm not heavily in to the whole MIDI thing but really like all the plugins.

How well does Logic Pro compare with DP ?

[aeon]

Im using Logic 7.2 at the mo, I'm not heavily in to the whole MIDI thing but really like all the plugins.

How well does Logic Pro compare with DP ?

Plug ins are way better in Logic pro 7.2, however the routing in DP is more elaborated, soft synth in logic are killers, in dp they are good but not killers.Freezing tracks, is a killer tools in logic,same for all bouncing features.

That is about the basic differences, but there is tons of it, it just depend how you like to work, i use both sequencers, and i like them a lot.

[Shooshie]

Aeon is referring to the VIs that come with Logic, vs. those that come with DP. DP users typically do not buy DP for its VIs. We generally buy pro-level VIs that we prefer to select carefully and buy separately. With Logic, you pay for its VIs whether you want them or not. A DAW is a working environment. That's why you select one or another DAW, because you like the environment. VIs are separate, and should be treated separately, IMO. Buying a DAW for its VIs is like buying an automobile for its radio.

The same is true for plugins. The pro-level plugins out there include companies like Waves, UA, Native Instruments, and many more. They run on either DAW, of course. DP does have an EQ that will make you forget all other EQs (Masterworks EQ), but in general the same principle applies; buy DP for its working environment and working features, not its bundled plugins. DP has a very large professional user-base, and I've never met one who said they bought it for its plugins. They buy it because they like the workflow it offers them. Some would say that no other DAW comes close to DP in that regard. Many use both DP and Logic, each for particular features that it offers.

I only use DP; I've been using it professionally since about 1988 and have always considered myself lucky to have such a well-thought-out DAW to work from. But in the end, it all comes down to what each person likes.

Shooshie

[cowgs]

I've been using DP since 1998 and just started playing around with Logic Pro six months ago.

Logic is becoming more interesting all the time after I've recovered from the learning curve and rather strange UI. I'm finding the value in Logic over say DP, but it also applies to Protools 7.1 HD that I use, is that Logic is nicely integrated with how it uses VI, along with Apple Loops, and even the integration with GarageBand that I'm accessing for sounds.

As I work more in Logic I am finding it faster than the other programs to do simple things like create, arm, record tracks, edit, etc. So, from a workflow perspective, Logic has an advantage here, at least for how I work.

Not only do the VIs in Logic sound great, they are easier (faster) to setup new VI tracks in Logic, and Logic comes the tons of VI presets sorted by categories in Logic's channel strip. These are great for trying new ideas out; you don't have to bother setting up a new VI in a new track, selecting the preset/patch from a pulldown menu, and then arming a separate MIDI track to play the VI, as you do in DP or Protools. In Logic, just select a VI track, load a VI present and start playing. Very fast and less distraction when you're focused on creating musical ideas.

There's one thing DP is doing better than Logic for me and that's where DP allows RTAS to be used when running DP via DAE. Logic via DAE disables RTAS so RTAS VIs aren't available. Not a big deal as Logic with DAE also allows one to run both Core Audio, and/or ESB TDM which is nice. Oh, here's another thing DP does better: patchlists are organized by folders and it's easier to search banks/patches in DP than in Logic or Protools. But, as I'm using fewer external MIDI devices, that's not a major weakness in Logic.

DP's UI still looks better than Logic or Pro Tools. And DP is so intuitive, I got up and running with it just by reading the manual and working with it. I wasn't enjoying Logic at all until I spent $600 and attending a three day course.

Craig

[Hide]

I'm using both, but I have a bit feeling a dilemma.

I don't use LogicPro's VI or DP VI either.
Just buying fav VIs and using such as UAD-1, SS2, StylusRMX... something like that.

I'm feeling very happy with LogicPro when I use many VIs because really CPU efficient.
I'm feeling very happy with DP when I record my bass-guitar because it's so smooth.

I know those are having good point and bad point,
but I really am hopping DP will be CPU efficient more like LogicPro.
That's my number one wishes.
Don't need more bonus VI or Effector.

DP's user interface is much better than LogicPro for me.

[giles117]

Logic for Sequencing (VI's) and DP for everything Else.

Thats how I live.

[Frodo]

I used Cubase for a long time, but at that time the nature of my projects were a bit different. I find DP more conducive to the sorts of things I'm doing now in terms of the workflow and GUI. That's why these days 99% of my sequencing is done in DP and 100% of my mixing and audio editing is done in DP. To me, it goes faster. Were I still doing projects such as those done in Cubase, I think I'd probably use Logic more because while it is not the same as Cubase-- it *is* closer to Cubase than DP is. But that's not necessarily a bad thing.

DP falls short in the time stretch department-- and in the VST department. I'm able to load a lot more instances of a VI in Logic than in DP, but I don't experience the audio dropouts in DP that I do in Logic.

DP also lets me think more linearly than Logic. Many of Logic's sequencing features feel a lot more localized and *appear* to be better equipped to address needs best suited for looping and working in smaller bits and pieces. Then again, I don't use Chunks or Songs in DP since most of my work now is long-form orchestral rather than "verse-chorus-bridge-tag" sort of writing. I do like DP's flexibility with large and small projects.

I'll go to Logic in case some VI collection is only usable with EXS24, which I've made good use of, but I'll fly tracks out of Logic back into DP as soon as I can and continuing working in DP.

Among Logic's best features is with offline bounce to disk. It's quick and accurate. It also includes bouncing VI MIDI tracks offline into MIDI, something DP does not do.

Both apps crash, and these days it's about neck-and-neck with crash frequency. The crucial issue here is why each crashes, and getting to the bottom of these causes in Logic can be VERY complicated to solve. With DP it is most often easier to solve, but darned annoying for silly reasons that crop up inexplicably.

Overall, DP does about 80% of what I need, but I am able to fill in the gaps with Logic while enjoying DP's GUI that thinks more like I do.

[blue]

Aeon is referring to the VIs that come with Logic, vs. those that come with DP. DP users typically do not buy DP for its VIs. We generally buy pro-level VIs that we prefer to select carefully and buy separately. With Logic, you pay for its VIs whether you want them or not. A DAW is a working environment. That's why you select one or another DAW, because you like the environment. VIs are separate, and should be treated separately, IMO. Buying a DAW for its VIs is like buying an automobile for its radio.

The same is true for plugins. The pro-level plugins out there include companies like Waves, UA, Native Instruments, and many more. They run on either DAW, of course. DP does have an EQ that will make you forget all other EQs (Masterworks EQ), but in general the same principle applies; buy DP for its working environment and working features, not its bundled plugins. DP has a very large professional user-base, and I've never met one who said they bought it for its plugins. They buy it because they like the workflow it offers them. Some would say that no other DAW comes close to DP in that regard. Many use both DP and Logic, each for particular features that it offers.

I only use DP; I've been using it professionally since about 1988 and have always considered myself lucky to have such a well-thought-out DAW to work from. But in the end, it all comes down to what each person likes.

Shooshie

Plugins may not have been a factor before, but the game is changing. All the major sequencers now come with their own VIs and plugins, whose function has outgrown the purpose of merely rounding out the package. In my experience, many of the new, younger users out there are more sequencer agnostic than they used to be. They look at things beyond the basics, like bundled VIs. DP is a little late in the game, in that regard, and its VIs definitely seem more supplemental than anything else. But MOTU wrote those plugins for a reason, and that is to compete in the market.

As for drawing comparisons between Logic's and DP's VIs and plugins, it's not even close. Logic has some that are good, some that are mediocre and some that are simply stellar (Sculpture). If I was starting out today and had to make a choice, I would (unfortunately) chose Logic simply based on its bundled sound making materials.

The advances in music making technology is making it a lot easier for hobbyists to get in the game, and there are many more of those out there than pros. Like it or not, companies like MOTU have to pay attention to these potential customers if they want to stay afloat. I'm not saying they have to be like GarageBand, but they would be wise to follow Apple's strategy of responding to the ever widening spectrum of users out there. The trick is to incorporate the new features without dumbing down the app and alienating your pro user base.

[giles117]

Frodo, my experience with logic has been the opposite. I can run 10-12 hours of straight sequencing/editing, etcc. crash free with massive sample sets and using 3rd party plugins.....

DP crashes rarely, if ever. generally when I do a lot of rapid punch/stops with my MCU. (Tracking a vocal punch...)

[Frodo]

Frodo, my experience with logic has been the opposite. I can run 10-12 hours of straight sequencing/editing, etcc. crash free with massive sample sets and using 3rd party plugins.....

DP crashes rarely, if ever. generally when I do a lot of rapid punch/stops with my MCU. (Tracking a vocal punch...)

Sure-- my experiences with DP and Logic tend to be opposite of each other. When each app crashes has been as important to note as when they don't crash for me. Clearly Logic takes the motherload of VI's, but I am starting to believe (for reasons I won't get into here) that DP is better suited to work with its own plugins with third-party AUs in very small quantity.

[Hide]

DP falls short in the time stretch department-- and in the VST department. I'm able to load a lot more instances of a VI in Logic than in DP, but I don't experience the audio dropouts in DP that I do in Logic.

Same here.
DP does NOT drop any MIDI notes even though I loaded so many VIs.
Oh but DP will tell me "Overload". and then simply I can't add more VIs.

About LogicPro, not so CPU hungry but sometime I realize it dropped notes.
And, getting POPs, noise, and.... can't keep stable tempo(bpm)...

By the way, I've just started using DP since version 5.0!
So, I totally noob for DP.
But, now, I use only DP5 (now 5.1), because it's more useful DAW for me.
Of course... DP is definitely CPU hungry and heavier than LogicPro... that's only thing of bad point of DP.

[PSPartyband]

I use both

DP for my live gig stuff and Logic in the studio

DP plays real nice with outboard MIDI gear and is a rock solid live sequencer

Logics plugins are awesome! right out of the box you have everything you need to make incredible recordings

if you plan on using only VI's get Logic

If you will be using mostly outboard synths, get DP

[Dr_simon]

Thanks folks, very interesting and informative discussion !

[aeon]

Aeon is referring to the VIs that come with Logic, vs. those that come with DP. DP users typically do not buy DP for its VIs. We generally buy pro-level VIs that we prefer to select carefully and buy separately. With Logic, you pay for its VIs whether you want them or not. A DAW is a working environment. That's why you select one or another DAW, because you like the environment. VIs are separate, and should be treated separately, IMO. Buying a DAW for its VIs is like buying an automobile for its radio.

The same is true for plugins. The pro-level plugins out there include companies like Waves, UA, Native Instruments, and many more. They run on either DAW, of course. DP does have an EQ that will make you forget all other EQs (Masterworks EQ), but in general the same principle applies; buy DP for its working environment and working features, not its bundled plugins. DP has a very large professional user-base, and I've never met one who said they bought it for its plugins. They buy it because they like the workflow it offers them. Some would say that no other DAW comes close to DP in that regard. Many use both DP and Logic, each for particular features that it offers.

I only use DP; I've been using it professionally since about 1988 and have always considered myself lucky to have such a well-thought-out DAW to work from. But in the end, it all comes down to what each person likes.

Shooshie

I am refering to the plugs ins and vi's, i have UAD-1's plug ins(all of them), Powercore (master x5),waves 5, still i use a lot of internal plug ins of logic, especially the compressor, they do the job and very well, something DP Motu doesnt, yes masterwork eq is greath and i love it, but the linear phase eq in logic, is just as good or almost, i have all NI instruments, spectrasonic,korgs, still i find, ultrabeat, and sculture very useful.

Dp is a greath software, for routing is incredible, the consilated windows is very useful, it was the first to include side chain, which i use incredibly, as like you said it all comes down to what each person likes, to me they are all good, that is why use them both.


One huge point i like about Logic, is the cpu management, i am sorry, but motu has a long way to go to compare with logic regarding this field, however i have more crash with logic than dp in general.

[WSVP]

blue wrote
Plugins may not have been a factor before, but the game is changing. All the major sequencers now come with their own VIs and plugins, whose function has outgrown the purpose of merely rounding out the package.

While I agree that the game is changing. The only current DAW package that includes "serious" VI plugins is Logic Pro. DP, Pro Tools, Nuendo, Cubase, Sonar and Samplitude all ship with limited or no VI plugins.

I personally think Motu would be better served by improving its reverb and dynamics processor plugins. High quality utility plugins like Amp Simulation and Chromatic tuners would also help DP. Reverb is the thing in DP I find the most lacking.

I still feel DP has a huge advantage in the interface department. However Apple has come a long way with Logic.