anybody else has this problem?

[FM]

i suck at MIDI like a hoover on steroids.
my brain just doesn't work like that, but that's not the only problem.

whenever i'm working in the drum editor and i try to delete a note, or a group of notes, i have to hit the delete key a bunch of times for the notes to disappear.

edit edit edit:
actually, i select the notes, hit delete, then have to reselect and hit delete again.
i end up doing this a bunch of times.

it's a real pain in the arse.

anybody has had this problem?
any work-arounds?

DP 4.12 on a dual 866 with 2GB RAM.

thanks guys,

FM

FM Atom Heart Mother.

<small>[ June 14, 2005, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: FM ]</small>

[studiostuff]

any work-arounds?

Yeah man. Put down the heroine.

Make your brain work like you want it to work.

It's your brain... am I right? Not something you borrowed from the Bride of Frankenstein...?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Don't quite get the first 'response'... Guess I'm either too young or too old

But to answer your question, I would suspect the accuracy of your mouse. I had thought 'system performance' but you seem to have a fast system (in your computer, that is... that damn first answer still bothers me...).

I don't use the drum editor at all as I've played drums awhile.

FWIW, I use a Logitech MX1000 laser mouse and LOVE it. If you go that route, buy the shareware program 'USB Overdrive' to program the critter properly.

<small>[ June 14, 2005, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: MIDI Life Crisis ]</small>

[Tonio]

actually I think Shooshie and some others have found that there is a MIDI deletion bug..though I don't think I have experienced it -yet. somewhere in thar cornation. sorry don't feel like searching

T

<small>[ June 14, 2005, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Tonio ]</small>

[Tim]

If zoomed out too far in the drum editor, a bunch of notes can look like one. When a note is selected, it may be only the top note in a cluster. Then when it's deleted, the one below it appears, and so on.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Originally posted by Tonio:
oh, and FM you can get back to the heroine

T[/QB]

"The heroine in my current project is too big for me to pick up! I'll need some heroin to summon the courage" "Anon. Tenor...

[FM]

Originally posted by studiostuff:

any work-arounds?

Yeah man. Put down the heroine.

Make your brain work like you want it to work.

It's your brain... am I right? Not something you borrowed from the Bride of Frankenstein...?

is that supposed to be funny?
oh, i got it, it's not YOUR sense of humor, it's something you borrowed from a failed comedian...

i'm sure you're just joking, but like MIDI Life Crisis says, i'm either too young or too old to get it.

whatever.

anyway, thanks for the "actual" responses guys.

i did try different zoom ratios but it keeps happening.
it's not the kind of thing that puts a end to my workflow but it does slow me down a lot.

i did a search here but i got so many unrelated threads i just figured it would be easier to simply ask, a case of too much information.

again, thanks for the responses.
and as Tonio said, back to the heroine.

FM

FM has seen the needle and the damage done.

[Bennie Sims]

Try using the graphic editor to do your MIDI editing. I am sure this is a better way to do that.

[magicd]

Judging from the description of the symptom, my first guess would be that you are zoomed out to a resolution that shows notes stacked on top of each other. You select and delete, but there is another note still displayed underneath that one. If the two notes are at the same location in the sequence, no matter how far you zoom out, they will still look like a single note in the Drum editor.
How to test for this? Open the Event List editor for the MIDI track. If you select a note in the Drum editor, the note is simultaneously selected in the Event List editor. If you then delete the note (from the Drum editor), you would certainly expect to see the highlighted note in the Event List also get deleted. If you have notes stacked on top of each other in the Drum or Graphic editor windows, they will still be easy to see as separate events in the Event List.

As we all know, there are many ways to skin cats. Here's my personal technique for working with MIDI drums.
I usually use PC200 keyboard to tap in basic parts. I find this to be faster than entering notes with a mouse, and it has the benefit of entering varying velocities. Even though I consider myself a pretty bad drum programmer, the velocities I enter by tapping usually have some sort of musical relevance.
I use MIDI plug-ins to compress velocities. I use MIDI plug-ins to temporarily quantize parts. If I like what I hear, I print the plug-ins to the track.
I am most familiar with the MIDI Graphic editor, so I do most of my drum programming there. What I do like to use the Drum editor for is if I want to temporarily quantise individual drums within a MIDI track, or if I want to use the Paintbrush tool to paint in for example, a high hat part.

Hope that helps!

Magic Dave

[Morpheo]

Originally posted by FM:
[is that supposed to be funny?
oh, i got it, it's not YOUR sense of humor, it's something you borrowed from a failed comedian...

But you did start the thread on a funny not didn't you ?

[FM]

Originally posted by magicd:
Judging from the description of the symptom, my first guess would be that you are zoomed out to a resolution that shows notes stacked on top of each other. You select and delete, but there is another note still displayed underneath that one. If the two notes are at the same location in the sequence, no matter how far you zoom out, they will still look like a single note in the Drum editor.
How to test for this? Open the Event List editor for the MIDI track. If you select a note in the Drum editor, the note is simultaneously selected in the Event List editor. If you then delete the note (from the Drum editor), you would certainly expect to see the highlighted note in the Event List also get deleted. If you have notes stacked on top of each other in the Drum or Graphic editor windows, they will still be easy to see as separate events in the Event List.

As we all know, there are many ways to skin cats. Here's my personal technique for working with MIDI drums.
I usually use PC200 keyboard to tap in basic parts. I find this to be faster than entering notes with a mouse, and it has the benefit of entering varying velocities. Even though I consider myself a pretty bad drum programmer, the velocities I enter by tapping usually have some sort of musical relevance.
I use MIDI plug-ins to compress velocities. I use MIDI plug-ins to temporarily quantize parts. If I like what I hear, I print the plug-ins to the track.
I am most familiar with the MIDI Graphic editor, so I do most of my drum programming there. What I do like to use the Drum editor for is if I want to temporarily quantise individual drums within a MIDI track, or if I want to use the Paintbrush tool to paint in for example, a high hat part.

Hope that helps!

Magic Dave

thanks!
i think you are onto something with the stacked notes thing.
i will look much closer into how zoomed in i am.

i also tap my drum parts in.
you do get some musicality to it.

cool!

FM

FM might like you better if we slept together.

[FM]

Originally posted by Morpheo:

Originally posted by FM:
[is that supposed to be funny?
oh, i got it, it's not YOUR sense of humor, it's something you borrowed from a failed comedian...

But you did start the thread on a funny not didn't you ?

i know.
i'm just saying that if he's trying to make a joke, i ain't getting it, that's all.
it just kinda felt really out of left field, specially since he didn't offer any sugestions following his ribbing.

peace!

FM

FM... from sea to shining sea.

[studiostuff]

My post was meant to be somewhat funny and somewhat rude.

I was not aware that you have some actual brain malfunction that prevents you from not sucking at MIDI. But since you do, I guess I should feel bad about needling the infirm.

The tone of this group is always so helpful and nice... I like to add a little balance in the other direction when I can.

Especially when folks start their posts with comments that seem to indicate they aren't even trying to help themselves.

But... none of that matters. You were offended.

Imagine that... a sensitive guy in NYC who doesn't get a "put down the heroine" poke... I guess I'm sorry... maybe a little. It appears you do have several real problems.

I stand by my "why don't you spend a little more time trying to figure out MIDI for yourself" comment. (Even though it goes against the grain of the flow here.)

[FM]

My post was meant to be somewhat funny and somewhat rude.

rude for sure, funny... maybe in your head.

I was not aware that you have some actual brain malfunction that prevents you from not sucking at MIDI. But since you do, I guess I should feel bad about needling the infirm.

i have a brain malfunction that prevents me from understading stupid jokes that aren't funny to begin with.

The tone of this group is always so helpful and nice... I like to add a little balance in the other direction when I can.

thanks for your efforts.

Especially when folks start their posts with comments that seem to indicate they aren't even trying to help themselves.

as i stated, i did a search and it did not help, it's a free bulletin board, anyone can ask whatever they want.

But... none of that matters. You were offended.

nope.

Imagine that... a sensitive guy in NYC who doesn't get a "put down the heroine" poke... I guess I'm sorry... maybe a little. It appears you do have several real problems.

why don't you tell me about MY problems since one post on a bulletin boars has made you such a connoseiur of me.

I stand by my "why don't you spend a little more time trying to figure out MIDI for yourself" comment. (Even though it goes against the grain of the flow here.)

whatever.

FM

(no sig, not worth it)

[studiostuff]

Well now, you see? We agree.

This is a free BB.

And I'm laugin' my ass off at you... It IS definitely funny to me. Ahwah ha ha!

Does anyone else think that a person who can't type indicates a person who also has trouble with MIDI? Discuss?

Oh wait... I bet you're just too cool for punctuation. Man! That IS cool.