NI KORE with DP...

[grimepoch]

I am curious if anyone else has been looking at this new offering from NI that ships on the May 8th. In looking at this product a bit further, I am seriously considering purchasing it as a solution to somewhat distributed synths and processing.

It appears the hardware portion of KORE has audio outputs and MIDI in and out. I am thinking of putting this on a second machine, then running MIDI and audio from my main rig. If I understand it correctly, I can create 'patches' persay that I could recall automatically from projects on the main rig.

In a sense, I see it very similar as recepter, but with another machine. (And not having an interface on the main rig to control it which could be a problem for some).

In any case, from the limited information I've watched, I really want to play with one and see how it works with other people's plugins, not just NI plugins.

If I do pick one up, or get a chance to demo one, I will certainly post about it, just wanted to see if I was the only one getting a bit excited about the possibility of using this.

[chrispick]

I'm definitely interested in hearing how well it works. Maybe if it's cool, I'll jump in. But I'm taking a wait-and-see approach.

[greg328]

Has anybody had any success loading Kore into DP? I'm using DP 5.01.

I've installed Kore 1.01 properly, and can't seem to find a way to use it within DP. The manual is rather fuzzy on how to do this.

Maybe Kore needs to be running in the backgroung, with VIs loaded, for DP to access it?


Greg

[grimepoch]

Still waiting to get mine, I had to wait for the second shipment. As soon as I get it going, I'll let you know.

Of course, I am running mine on a separate system, but, I'll put DP over there just to test this.

Rick

[greg328]

Rick,
So you don't plan on using KORE inside your host program (DP, I assume)?

It will work stand-alone, but I bought it to help manage all my AUs within DP.


Greg

[grimepoch]

No, I plan on using it on my MacMini and sending the audio into my G5 to give me more virtual instruments. I had been using Rax to do this, but with Kore, I was told patch changes can be sent to change instruments. This will allow it all to be automatic.

Even if you get it running in DP, I hear the drivers are a little less than desired at the moment. You will take a big CPU hit with it.

I will put DP on my mini just to see if I can get it running though to see if I see the same thing. Certainly, I could see in the future wanting to use it in DP maybe even for live shows where I am running all my tracks in DP on my laptop, but want to use some AU synths that are layered and such inside of KORE.

[IO]

So nobody has checkd ou the MACKIE c4...?

[buddhabelly]

I don't think the C4 works with DP. At least not according to mackie's site.

And I don't see anything about it on MOTU's site either.

Also, keep in mind that KORE may only load patches on the computer it's attached to. I don't think you can send program changes to it from another computer. But this is supposedly why it has that built in screen so you don't need to see the monitor. Still on the fence with this one. I'd like it to work with and without the controller so I can just use the software to manage AU programs.

[grimepoch]

It's not the same thing. The C4 is a controller that you can program profiles for, the software allows you to map it's controls and such. The KORE is actually a combination of a hardware controller and a software interface that is a HOST for virtual instruments. More than a host though, it allows you to build up complex sounds or keyboard arrangements that can be recalled as if they were an instrument.

For instance, say you performing and all you had in front of you was the KORE hardware and a controller keyboard, the computer/monitor/keyboard/mouse tucked out of sight. With the controller, you can change patches which loads up all the settings you left. Say you had absynth and FM7 across one octave layered and you have Albino set across the top. In addition, you have effects across each of those, and maybe even some triggerable drum loops. Not that you couldn't do this in say DP, or Live, but the point here is easy switching.

For me, on a second machine, I don't have to remember or manually load a project in DP or any other host with KORE. I can load up a song on my main machine and send a patch change over to the second machine via MIDI and my preset will be called up. I eventually plan to run it out ADAT on my Mini into my main system when the KORE environment can handle mutiple outs and such.

Right now, the software and hardware have serious issues as reported on the NI newsgroups. However, I believe they will fix them, and I believe when working, it will be truly amazing!

[grimepoch]

It says in the FAQ somewhere that patch changes can be send to it from other equipment, I verified this. HOWEVER, I don't think it is all working yet. If you use Sample Based plugins, I think it's disabled.

I also agree that I want them to remove the "dongle" feature eventually, so if I don't need to control KORE externally, say for just playing a track, I don't want it in there.

[kwiz]

Has anybody had any success loading Kore into DP? I'm using DP 5.01.

I've installed Kore 1.01 properly, and can't seem to find a way to use it within DP. The manual is rather fuzzy on how to do this.

Maybe Kore needs to be running in the backgroung, with VIs loaded, for DP to access it?


Greg

Same here, the manual is pretty vague. I have NI's Komplete 3 and Kore isn't working with B4II and FM7. I called NI and was told to uninstall all of the NI products (except for the samples) and then re-install everything including the most recent updates. I won't have time to do all of this until Saturday (like I want to spend Sat. doing this sh..)

NI also reported that there is a bug in Kore that won't allow DP to recognize automation coming from Kore, NICE...

If any one gets Kore running like it suppose to please report back.

[quadrupolesmurf]

Even if you get it running in DP, I hear the drivers are a little less than desired at the moment. You will take a big CPU hit with it.

It's written by NI so thats a given.

I don't understand the point of putting another layer between the host application and the AU. Running KORE with Reaktor, Kontakt, and Battery? That's asking for trouble. The fundamental problem is that many of the NI products aren't cpu/memory friendly, nor are they robust. So when you put them to run underneath KORE, you can expect problems. It's just not worth it. Once again, NI takes a beautiful A+ idea and turns it into a grade C product.

[MarkH]

Once again, NI takes a beautiful A+ idea and turns it into a grade C product.

I don't agree with this. The idea is that you can stack and layer patches from different instruments into a single patch and automate paramaters for them using the Kore control surface. NI has created an "easy page" template for all the NI plguins as well as Stylus RMX, Blue, Albino, Vanguard, Korg Legacy, and many more. Using the "learn" function on the easy page for a plugin that doesn't already have a template is a breeze. Kore also allows you to include effects as part of the patch too. The effect can be any plugin you want, not just an NI plugin. When you save a Kore "patch" it saves all the information for everything inside the Kore shell.

NI took Apple's idea (which Spectrasonics also did for RMX 1.5) and allows you to search or sort patches by genre, mood, feel, etc..

Kore doesn't use much CPU at all. It's the plugins you throw behind it that use CPU. Certainly loading seperate instance of Pro-53, FM7, and Absynth to create a good sounding patch is far less efficient than using Kore to do this. I think it's a great way to allow users to realy stack up all those killer sounds and have an easy way to work the control.

If you're already a heavy NI user and you like the way NI endorses the creativity of their plugins, then Kore is a no brainer and simply an extension into that way of thinking. If you're more about simple interface and don't get into much tweaking, then Kore is something to stay away from.

[quadrupolesmurf]

Once again, NI takes a beautiful A+ idea and turns it into a grade C product.

I don't agree with this. The idea is that you can stack and layer patches from different instruments into a single patch and automate paramaters for them using the Kore control surface.

I agree. The idea is beautiful. The execution (i.e. created program) Kore is a mess. NI needs to make their current products more robust, before Kore is going to be useful. Again, it's a great idea. But I would prefer that someone else (hum... MOTU) design it.

The fact that I can't import a Battery 2 kit into a Reaktor map, or that I can't use StormDrums (Kompakt) in Kontakt 2 is lame. For anyone interested in any of the NI products, definitely check out their forums.

Also, the Kore controller is a giant dongle. That is awesome.

[aplanchard]

[/quote]The fact that I... can't use StormDrums (Kompakt) in Kontakt 2...
Also, the Kore controller is a giant dongle.[/quote]

I am surprised to hear you can't use StormDrum in Kontakt

Totally agree re the dongle issue. I am puzzled why more people don't see it that way. As I understand it, you cannot run the Kore program without the hardware plugged in