Kontakt stability?

Discussion of Digital Performer use, optimization, tips and techniques on MacOS.

Moderator: James Steele

Forum rules
This forum is for most discussion related to the use and optimization of Digital Performer [MacOS] and plug-ins as well as tips and techniques. It is NOT for troubleshooting technical issues, complaints, feature requests, or "Comparative DAW 101."
Irimi Nage
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:09 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Kontakt stability?

Post by Irimi Nage »

I've tried using Kontakt in the past and it really didn't work out. For some reason each time I've tried it, a few weeks later I'd find myself with DP being so screwed up and corrupted that I'd have to reinstall the entire system. Like macOS and all! It went that badly.

I honestly have no idea if it was Kontakt or something else. Sure it could have been unrelated. But it's happened at least twice now, maybe even three times...and always a few weeks after trying that free version of Kontakt.

Ofc LOTS of people use Kontakt without issues. Do you use Kontakt reliably with DP? There's some really drool-worth stuff out there for it.
User avatar
cuttime
Posts: 4509
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by cuttime »

There was a time when Mac OS 14.4 and several versions of Kontakt was a total disaster area, but with the latest updates everything has been stable on my end.
828x MacOS 15.5 M1 Studio Max 1TB 64G DP11.34
Irimi Nage
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:09 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by Irimi Nage »

Good to know thank you. Do you happen to use any UA interfaces with it?
User avatar
cuttime
Posts: 4509
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by cuttime »

Irimi Nage wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 4:56 pm Good to know thank you. Do you happen to use any UA interfaces with it?
No, only MOTU.
828x MacOS 15.5 M1 Studio Max 1TB 64G DP11.34
User avatar
HCMarkus
Posts: 10410
Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:01 am
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Rancho Bohemia, California
Contact:

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by HCMarkus »

DP has been very stable for me as of late, including when using Kontakt, which is a mainstay in my template. I'm running the latest versions of DP, Kontakt and macOS on my M! Mac Studio Ultra. Interface is an 828ES.

There was (and may still be) an issue with Kontakt flickering when using more than a single display. I encountered this, but resolved it by setting both my displays to the same color profile in Mac Settings.
HC Markus
M1 Mac Studio Ultra • 64GB RAM • 828es • macOS 15.5 • DP 11.34
https://rbohemia.com
Irimi Nage
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:09 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by Irimi Nage »

Very cool, thanks to you both
dix
Posts: 3099
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by dix »

HCMarkus wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:49 am DP has been very stable for me as of late, including when using Kontakt, which is a mainstay in my template. I'm running the latest versions of DP, Kontakt and macOS on my M! Mac Studio Ultra. Interface is an 828ES.

There was (and may still be) an issue with Kontakt flickering when using more than a single display. I encountered this, but resolved it by setting both my displays to the same color profile in Mac Settings.
Simply drag-resizing Kontakt's UI a few pixels fixes this for me.
16-inch MBP M4 Max (2024), 15.5.x, 64GB RAM ::: 14-inch MBP M1 Max (2021), 13.6.x, 64GB RAM, UAD Quad Tb Satellite, 4 displays ::: 2009 4,1 > 5,1 MacPro 12-core 3.33 ghz , 10.14.x, 96GB RAM, GeForce GTX 770 , NewerTech eSATA/USB3 PCIe Host Adapter, UAD-2 Quad, ::: 15-inch MBP (2015) 10.14.x, 16GB RAM ::: Lynx Aurora (n) USB ::: DP (latest version), Vienna Ensemble Pro danwool.com
User avatar
HCMarkus
Posts: 10410
Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:01 am
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Rancho Bohemia, California
Contact:

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by HCMarkus »

dix wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:27 pm
HCMarkus wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:49 am DP has been very stable for me as of late, including when using Kontakt, which is a mainstay in my template. I'm running the latest versions of DP, Kontakt and macOS on my M! Mac Studio Ultra. Interface is an 828ES.

There was (and may still be) an issue with Kontakt flickering when using more than a single display. I encountered this, but resolved it by setting both my displays to the same color profile in Mac Settings.
Simply drag-resizing Kontakt's UI a few pixels fixes this for me.
That's good to know. But the color profile trick completely eliminated the issue on my M1 Mac, and the second display still looks fine.
HC Markus
M1 Mac Studio Ultra • 64GB RAM • 828es • macOS 15.5 • DP 11.34
https://rbohemia.com
User avatar
mikehalloran
Posts: 16225
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:08 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Sillie Con Valley

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by mikehalloran »

Irimi Nage wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 4:56 pm Good to know thank you. Do you happen to use any UA interfaces with it?
Only MOTU if there are drivers. My other interfaces are Core Audio.
DP 11.34; 828mkII FW, micro lite, M4, MTP/AV USB Firmware 2.0.1
2023 Mac Studio M2 8TB, 192GB RAM, OS Sequoia 15.4, USB4 8TB externals, Neumann MT48, M-Audio AIR 192|14, Mackie ProFxv3, Zoom F3 & UAC 232 32bit float recorder & interface; 2012 MBPs (x2) Catalina, Mojave
IK-NI-Izotope-PSP-Garritan-Antares, LogicPro X, Finale 27.4, Dorico 5, Notion 6, Overture 5, TwistedWave, DSP-Q 5, SmartScore64 NE Pro, Toast 20 Pro
Irimi Nage
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:09 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by Irimi Nage »

Thank you. Kontakt's been working pretty well. It has its quirks but really DP itself seems way more unstable lol
User avatar
Michael Canavan
Posts: 3856
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: seattle

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by Michael Canavan »

Irimi Nage wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:17 am Thank you. Kontakt's been working pretty well. It has its quirks but really DP itself seems way more unstable lol
Of the two Kontakt is the most likely to have issue for sure though. Sonoma 14.3 or so was crazy unstable, crashing DAWs left and right if you had two monitors hooked up. '

Not saying I don't have issues with DP in terms of stability, I'm in a rough patch with it right now, but Kontakt and NI in general are amazing and frustrating at the same time.
M2 Studio Ultra, RME Babyface FS, Slate Raven Mti2, NI SL88 MKII, Linnstrument, MPC Live II, Launchpad MK3. Hundreds of plug ins.
User avatar
cuttime
Posts: 4509
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by cuttime »

Just for clarity I believe this thread is still referring to Kontakt 7. I can't speak for K8.
828x MacOS 15.5 M1 Studio Max 1TB 64G DP11.34
Irimi Nage
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:09 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by Irimi Nage »

Michael Canavan wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:04 pm Of the two Kontakt is the most likely to have issue for sure though. Sonoma 14.3 or so was crazy unstable, crashing DAWs left and right if you had two monitors hooked up. '

Not saying I don't have issues with DP in terms of stability, I'm in a rough patch with it right now, but Kontakt and NI in general are amazing and frustrating at the same time.
Thank you for that. Last night DP was playing notes from muted or even fully disabled VI tracks. Actually now that I think about it they were Kontakt tracks.

Another good one from this week is, I'd move a track out of a folder then delete the folder. DP would still delete the track I had removed. Non-Kontakt tracks with that one.

:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:
User avatar
Michael Canavan
Posts: 3856
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: seattle

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by Michael Canavan »

Irimi Nage wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:52 pm Thank you for that. Last night DP was playing notes from muted or even fully disabled VI tracks. Actually now that I think about it they were Kontakt tracks.

Another good one from this week is, I'd move a track out of a folder then delete the folder. DP would still delete the track I had removed. Non-Kontakt tracks with that one.

:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:
I don't know about the first issue, but with the second I always use the contextual menu command 'delete folder and preserve tracks' It would be too easy to mistakenly not fully remove a track, it's barely visual whether you actually dragged the track out of the folder unless you drag it above the folder.
M2 Studio Ultra, RME Babyface FS, Slate Raven Mti2, NI SL88 MKII, Linnstrument, MPC Live II, Launchpad MK3. Hundreds of plug ins.
Irimi Nage
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:09 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Kontakt stability?

Post by Irimi Nage »

I use those accordingly too. In this case the track in question went from the top of the Tracks list to the bottom before deleting the folder, which remained at the top. It happened quite a few times before I figured out what was going on. "Where the heck did that track go...????"
Post Reply