DP11 is here!

[dix]

FWIW,
I'm getting better performance from my old cheesegrater on DP11.
A heavy session no longer busts the Audio Performance with clicks and pops.
DP11 is much better and I'm even going to 64 buffer for recording VIs.
They must have done something about the efficiency.
I think I can keep this old box for a year or two.

That said, I'm bound for AS when it comes up to MacPro form.

Hey thanks for that report!

That is terrific news.

Can I ask if you did a whole clean install or just update, and what OSX are you using? Thanks!

Definitely not the case here.

The largish project I'm working on now is much snappier in 10.13 than 11 - I started it back in 10 and then Loaded into a new 11 project in an attempt to speed things up. The CPU performance seems about the same, but graphics related things (maybe?) like track zooming of waveforms, and Option-clicking on text to, say, rename the track is much clunkier....a few second pause on the latter in 11, while it's instantaneous in 10. And most importantly creating Fades without the Fade dialogue takes a prohibitively long time in 11 compared to 10.13. Putting the buffer to the max, 2048 in my case, has no affect.

Waterstrum doesn't include their specs in there sig, so I don't know what the dif is in our rigs might be. I'd also be curious about their OS.

[dewdman42]

I have had nothing but problems with a fresh install of DP11, trying to scan all my plugins...crash city. 3 hours wasted today and still barely cracking the surface.

DP11 has an absolutely lousy plugin scanning engine sorry to say.

Can't wait to use Chunks and Articulation Maps sometime in this century though...

[bayswater]

I've installed the 30 day trial on a old Mac on OS X 10.13 that has had many versions of DP on it, with each App file deleted as each new one was installed, and on a new Big Sur volume on a 2018 Mini. In both cases DP is definably smoother and faster than previous versions. On the older Mac I'm able to track guitar with a buffer of 16 samples. Previously I was lucky to do anything lower than 128.

[JSmith1234567]

I've installed the 30 day trial on a old Mac on OS X 10.13 that has had many versions of DP on it, with each App file deleted as each new one was installed, and on a new Big Sur volume on a 2018 Mini. In both cases DP is definably smoother and faster than previous versions. On the older Mac I'm able to track guitar with a buffer of 16 samples. Previously I was lucky to do anything lower than 128.

Hey man thanks! That is really helpful. I'm going to check it out.

[bayswater]

Maybe I've forgotten how Bundles work -- I usually start with templates. I'm finding in DP 11, I have to create bundles every time I start a new project. I see two default Busses for Reverb and Delay (don't remember that before) and bundles for the built in channel on the computer using the names published by the device in AudioMIDI Setup. But other bundles and the names I create for all bundles have to be re-created for every project. Exporting and importing bundles works OK, but I don't recall having to do this with earlier versions.

[bayswater]

Someone asked whether there is a printed manual. That person and I must be the only people on the planet who still read it. A good reason for not printing is that is has a lot of typos. There are new chapters for the new stuff, but it looks like typos that have been there since DP 8 are still there. Not picking on MOTU -- there are many worse manuals out there.

[mikehalloran]

Not picking on MOTU -- there are many worse manuals out there.

Finale, Logic and Dorico spring to mind.

[syntonica]

Not picking on MOTU -- there are many worse manuals out there.

Finale, Logic and Dorico spring to mind.

The old Emagic Logic manuals used to be spattered with random German words and phrases. Apple Logic manuals are actually an improvement!

I perused the new DP11 manuals and while I didn't find any typos, I did find that page and section references had not been updated in places where new material had been shoehorned in. It's a huge manual (1500+ pages for all three) and I appreciate the efforts they put into making it informative and accurate, although I'm often left still scratching my head. I'm assuming they have one person, down in the basement, behind the boiler with an old Compaq, Win3.1 and Wordstar working on all their manuals.

[Phil O]

I see two default Busses for Reverb and Delay (don't remember that before) and bundles for the built in channel on the computer using the names published by the device in AudioMIDI Setup.

A tech at MOTU explained to me once that DP always uses a template, the most basic of which is "Empty Document." If you simply use command-N it will use whatever is set to the default template.
Motu suppled templates are at: /Library/Application Support/MOTU/Digital Performer/Document Templates/
User created templates are at: /Users/[your account]/Library/Preferences/com.motu.DigitalPerformer/Document Templates/

You can delete any of these. I tried deleting them all once, and when I created a new document it created a document based on one of my deleted user templates. So maybe it stores them somewhere else as well. Or maybe it's what I had set as the default and that has yet another location. Dunno.

Your friendly neighborhood Phil

[bayswater]

I see two default Busses for Reverb and Delay (don't remember that before) and bundles for the built in channel on the computer using the names published by the device in AudioMIDI Setup.

A tech at MOTU explained to me once that DP always uses a template, the most basic of which is "Empty Document." If you simply use command-N it will use whatever is set to the default template.
Motu suppled templates are at: /Library/Application Support/MOTU/Digital Performer/Document Templates/
User created templates are at: /Users/[your account]/Library/Preferences/com.motu.DigitalPerformer/Document Templates/

You can delete any of these. I tried deleting them all once, and when I created a new document it created a document based on one of my deleted user templates. So maybe it stores them somewhere else as well. Or maybe it's what I had set as the default and that has yet another location. Dunno.

Your friendly neighborhood Phil

Thanks. I should be editing the templates to get the expected bundles.

[labman]

one person, down in the basement, behind the boiler with an old Compaq, Win3.1 and Wordstar working on all their manuals.

[bayswater]

I'm assuming they have one person, down in the basement, behind the boiler with an old Compaq, Win3.1 and Wordstar working on all their manuals.

Not the basement -- beside the washroom at Starbuck's.

[Michael Canavan]

Ouch guys! his name is Jim Cooper, I think he wears a few hats at MOTU. I think if you do find typos or bad parts of the manual, you could send them in to MOTU.

[bayswater]

Ouch guys! his name is Jim Cooper, I think he wears a few hats at MOTU. I think if you do find typos or bad parts of the manual, you could send them in to MOTU.

I listed dozens of typos in the the V8 manual and sent them in. I don't think may of them were fixed.
There are some pretty blatant errors in the V11 manual and they are also the V10 manual.
Do you know for a fact that someone will deal with them if they are sent in?

[mhschmieder]

I'm noticing that I'm able to get away with a LOT more 96k tracks playing while overdubbing, with overload happening much less frequently than before.

I rarely disable tracks anymore, unless it's to remove distracting non-rhythmic stuff that makes it harder for me to lock in an overdub.