NAMM NEWS - DP 10 - It's Here!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I bet we’d have one nice gig together. You like art?

[Phil O]

I'm not very knowledgeable, but I like all sorts of art forms. After all, music is art. Right?

I think we're getting way off topic here. Sorry guys.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I'm not very knowledgeable, but I like all sorts of art forms. After all, music is art. Right?

I think we're getting way off topic here. Sorry guys.

We've been in the weeds for quite a while already.

[supersonic]

I'm sorry if I got overly passionate about that position. I'm Italian. I get overly passionate about cheesecake! lol Don't even get me started on coffee!!

I'm afraid I will need to call you on that . So... what does it take to make a perfect cup of Italian coffee? At home, we use those Italian style pressure pots where you have water underneath which then goes through the coffee above and land on the top level through a long tube. How do you do your?

[supersonic]

Has anything been mentioned about better support for ambisonic plugins?
(Addressing multiple inputs, saving audio files in ambisonic file formats.)

I suppose some of that might come from VST3 support.

I got a response from MOTU - no particular work has been done in that regard.

[bayswater]

At home, we use those Italian style pressure pots where you have water underneath which then goes through the coffee above and land on the top level through a long tube. How do you do your?

This works best at sea level and a gas stove on medium low. Are we back on topic yet?

[mrgkeys]

has anyone seen videos of the daily sessions at the MOTU booth posted online anywhere? Seems like they would have made them available if they were captured. Any crowd videos lurking about?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

In regard to the coffee question, I make old world Sicilian style coffee. Triple the amount of coffee usually called for. Brew it super strong. Then I take a knife, rip open my abdomin and pour it in. Repeat at least 6 or 7 times a day. Keeps the doctor away (and everyone else).

And you wonder why I can be so cantankerous!

[monkey man]

Oh, how I wish someone would film and share a DP presentation at NAMM, or better still, that MOTU would do it for a change.

The MOTU channel at PooToob only contains a few tiny clips, and we need more fodder IMHO.

[dix]

Oh, how I wish someone would film and share a DP presentation at NAMM, or better still, that MOTU would do it for a change.

The MOTU channel at PooToob only contains a few tiny clips, and we need more fodder IMHO.

Yes. Seems like there was more last year, and MOTU wasn’t really even showing anything! One of the videos that did show up last week said DP10 could be out as soon as 2 weeks. Fingers crossed that wasn’t an optimistic error. Until then we have this thread to keep us warm.

[toodamnhip]

Only letdown for me is no articulation support.

+1

[toodamnhip]

Lots of good work done by MOTU, an upgrade that stands out among some of the best upgrades of the past. That said, I am still dreaming of the day I can FREELY paste sections of a song around without DP creating crazy ramps in audio track automation. I am in no way trying to ruin the DP10 party, for I am a fan and love the new DP 10 features. But I am bewildered that me and only a couple others in this entire forum seem to even notice this automation ramping issue, or care about it. Does no one automate? Does no one care about being able to paste chorus 1 into chorus 2 without ruining automation before and after the paste? etc...This is beyond Daw vs Daw, or “features we would like”. This is broken, basic “pasting” functionality.
Try this: scribble some automation anywhere in an audio track; bar 5 for example. (make sure the last automation value in bar 5 is not the same as the 1st automation value.). Copy that bar 5, paste it to bar 20. Look under the hood. Watch DP create a gradual, changing ramp between bar 5’s automation, and bar 20. 15 bars of drifting automation. Imagine that being your guitar level, or reverb send.. drifting for 15 bars. Imagine 80 tracks of that going on in with all effects automation and sends, everything...slowly drifting. There are fixes for this, but they are tedious and time consuming. It is my contention that No pasting in any DAW should effect anything but the section being pasted. When you paste a section, all data before and after it should stay the same..seems like a no brainer. Pro Tools, all other DAWs I have seen, create hard ramps right at the paste. They do not create 15-50-100 bars of gradual changes in all automation parameters. They do not alter previous or subsequent automation. They paste what they paste, and all data before and after remind unchanged. But not DP. This is broken automation. If not “broken then a seriously misguided design flaw.
I applaud MOTU for they DP 10 update and their hard work. But all the hard work in the world pales in comparison to the simple ability to paste sections of a song around accurately. I am hoping MOTU realizes this. Hoping hoping hoping....

[toodamnhip]

One cool new CC editing feature is: there's an option for when you nudge or quantize MIDI note data, the accompanying CC data moves with it! I like that one a lot... not sure how you adjust the parameters of _what_ gets moved - will have to see, but it's a great idea...

At this point I would be happy just to see that MOTU FINALLY fixed the CC and audio automation mess we've always had when cutting, pasting and snipping tracks with automation (the god-damned unwanted and idiotic ramps).

But without that fix, this upgrade would be mostly meaningless to me, as that behaviour is kindergarten-level that has no place in a professional DAW.

I wouldn't be surprised if GarageBand does all that much better than current DP!

Could any Garage Band user confirm this, please?

I feel your pain brother. I wish there were more of us posting about this. I think there are user out there who have been hit with this issue, but they don’t seem to post very often. If there are not “more of us”, then then are 10s of 1000s of DP users out there who’s automation is drifting throughout a song, without them being aware of it. All they have to do is paste a chorus or verse that has automation in it, around in a song. And this will happen. Once in awhile someone chimes in in support of this issue, ( I appreciate it). But many say things like "I really don’t automate much so I haven’t experienced that” or..”I don’t work the way you do so I haven’t seen that”........What? No one automates? No one pastes automated sections around? No one cares is a guitar volume slowly drifts up or down for 50 bars? I have to keep telling myself I am not a martian. I am not doing anything weird. Its basic cut and paste of audio. What am I missing? This is important....

[dix]

...What? No one automates? No one pastes automated sections around? No one cares is a guitar volume slowly drifts up or down for 50 bars? I have to keep telling myself I am not a martian. I am not doing anything weird. Its basic cut and paste of audio. What am I missing? This is important....

As was litigated extensively earlier in this thread (yes, it's long!), a lot of us are simply used to it as-is in DP, and/or don't use other DAWs enough to realize we are being deprived. Also, as discussed earlier in the thread, there's at least a chance this automation quirk has been addressed in DP10. Some new features imply work has been done in this area.

[bayswater]

Try this: scribble some automation anywhere in an audio track; bar 5 for example. (make sure the last automation value in bar 5 is not the same as the 1st automation value.). Copy that bar 5, paste it to bar 20. Look under the hood. Watch DP create a gradual, changing ramp between bar 5’s automation, and bar 20.

No doubt what you say is true for DP.

What about Logic? Draw automation, select it and Alt Drag. The yellow dots are the original. The white dots are the copy. The ramp between them was created by Logic as the automation was copied.

First is an empty Instrument track, second a MIDI region in the same track, third an audio track. (Ramp time is set to 200 msec.) Alt dragging the last point in the originals to the right until it snaps to the time of the first point in the copied removes the ramp. (See image 4)