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Drum replacement / Trigger ?

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I'm looking to replace my snare in a track with an audio file ....is there any other easier way than cut n paste in on every hit ? Hoping I can use Trigger but I don't see how to access the audio file ...something like you have to make a MIDI file , but how does it access the snare replacement ? thanks ! :roll:
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Re: Drum replacement / Trigger ?

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I upgraded to apTrigga3 days some ago and it includes now some replacement presets with samples ( paid ) Lots of control...
Nice tool ( as was apTrigga 2 )
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To use Trigger, you would first create a MIDI track (and if you are in multi-record mode, you'd set Trigger as your input source). You would put Trigger as an insert on your snare audio track. The snare hits will generate MIDI notes with scaled velocity which you would record into the MIDI track.

To replace the snares, you would maybe use MOTU's Model12, or Nanosampler as the destination for the MIDI track (i.e, assign the VI as the output of the MIDI track). You may have to drag the triggered MIDI notes up or down to match the snare sound. The only hitch with either option is that neither has a direct way to do velocity switching, so you'd only get one snare sound.

You could use a sampler VI with velocity switching as your destination. Or you could use more tricks to split the snare into different velocity ranges and use Model12 or NanoSampler. If you are interested in how to do that post here and I'll go over it.
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So can you use your own sample (Wav) using Trigger or are you stuck to the VI's sounds ? Thanks guys
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You can drag & drop samples onto NanoSampler. I'm pretty sure you can load your own samples into Model12, as well.

If you wanted velocity switching (i.e., different samples for different velocity ranges), you'd have to do some extra work to make that happen-- but you can. It would involve selecting samples of a particular range, then moving them to another note. So for example, you could have all notes with velocities of 1-100 on C2, and all notes with velocities of 101-127 on C#2. Then put the soft sample on C2, and loud sample on C#2 in the VI. The same process applies to more velocity ranges. Not easy, but doable.
Since NanoSampler only loads one sample, you'd need a separate instance for each sample/velocity-range.
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Nanosampler doesn't seem to want to play my Wave file....does it need a certain file extension?? It loads in the project window but I see no wave (nothing appears other than title of Wav) thanks
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Yea, same here. I tried .wav & .WAV

No error message, it even showed the file name, but no sound, no waveform display.

Dragged and dropped an .AIF and bingo bongo. So maybe convert wav to aif first.
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ok got it figured out , I didn't have the MIDI information on the corresponding key as the Nanosampler . My new question is , its super latent the way the MIDI info is layed down and I'll have to move everything ....any way to correct that?
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Along the bottom is a slider that let's you scale between faster triggering for live, or better velocity interpretation for mixing.

I'd suggest doing what you're doing and just select the whole MIDI track and slide it earlier.

You can align the MIDI notes visually with the audio track. It should be consist, so you can just do it all in one batch. If dynamics aren't super important, you could do some gating and compression to the snare track to make the triggering more consistent.
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Re: Drum replacement / Trigger ?

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perfect , yes thats the plan ;)
thanks for your help
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