The days of one G5 being enough are dead! Here comes the

[chrispick]

Originally posted by sdfalk:
Media 100 is still on the mac..unless this just happened.

Oops. You're right, it seems. I'd heard they'd gone bankrupt -- and I hadn't seen them sprouting up anywhere as of late, only older systems hanging around -- so I made an assumption they were kaput (or as good as). A quick stop by their website shows they're still servicing MacHeads.

Doink.

Talkin' out my ass again...

Anyway, maybe my Apple/Emagic argument still holds some smidgeon of validity?

<small>[ July 26, 2005, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: heavypick ]</small>

[qo]

Originally posted by filtertone:
After looking at a bunch of possibilities, I decided on a Kano Technologies Xspand 4 drive SATA rack along with a Sonnet 8 port SATA PCI card. The guys at Kano who make the rack worked with me on getting the unit unbelievably quiet. Very impressed with these guys. BTW, my old FW800 drives are great for video playback and general backup.

http://www.kanotechnologies.com/enlarge_image/xspand-SATA-rack.cfm

Excellent! Thanks filtertone. I'm probably going to go with their empty Xspand four bay enclosure, for $569, and populate it with the new WD Caviar SATA II drives that kenbee mentioned. The only concern I have is that the Multilane adaptor is Windows only. I'm assuming separate SATA connections can also be made from this enclosure and that Multilane is simply a convenience (combining 4 SATA cables into one) and can be bypassed. I'll give these folks a call for clarification.

[Michael Canavan]

Originally posted by qo:

Frankly, I was shocked when the Emagic/Apple deal was announced. It's been bad for Logic users specifically, IMHO, (support charges added at a time of increasing application unreliability), and it's been bad for music production on the Mac in general.

First of all hi qo! What the hell is TDC doing anyway?
OK back on topic....
I agree it's been bad IMO for old Logic users, and quite frankly a good amount of people going to Logic have no business using it, and would be far better served using SX or DP.
I don't agree it's been bad for music production on the mac in general though. What with DP and Logic mac only, the DAW field is in favor of macs BIG TIME, more than ever before. I've mentioned it before, but DP and Logic both work very well with Pro tools, and Pro Tools is the industry standard.....
I think the app that is most hurt by logic and Apple merging is SX3, I'm curious to see how long Steinberg make a mac version, it's very possible they phase out at some point, like Adobe did with Premier.
Personally I just got word from MOTU that my devious little plans for hooking up Live 4, and DP would work just fine, and I'm about to upgrade 2.7.2 to 4.6 and use it as an AU host/sequencer. One major downfall to Logic to me is that you cannot print AU's to audio in any other way besides bouncing, so consequentially using Logic as an AU host on the tower with Live running on the powerbook is a major PITA, while DP will host the AU, and print audio from it while receiving MIDI from Live, and of course the opposite works as well.
Honestly I'm a little tired of proprietary plug ins in general, most of my favorites aren't, and if I end up really liking where DP is now, I'll sell Logic and get Altiverb. Space Designer, and the beta version of Sound Diver are the main attractions of logic to me. I own Komplete 2 and all Uh-He's synths, so I'm not hurting for plug ins.

The point is simply that the conflict-of-interest waters are muddied a bit by the turbulance of competition.

Well one thing to remember is that it's not in Apple's best interest to kill DP, and certainly not in their best interest to send DP to windows land....

<small>[ July 26, 2005, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: MichaelCanavan ]</small>

[duncan]

This discussion reminds me of an image from the 60's - a Volkswagen stuffed with 18 people. Sure they could squeeze them all in there, but it would be a bitch to drive and it wouldn't go very fast.
It's not natural to have one machine doing the recording, instruments, and mixing. That's why they make mixers and musical instruments. You want to tax your computer to the limit? Accept the consequences.
I use a digital mixer and hardware synths. Hardware synths have no latency problems, and mixers have faders. I love sitting down in my studio. Everything works, nothing crashes, and all I have to do is make music.
The trick is finding that one musical part that works for the song, instead of piling on 20 that hide the fact that you haven't found that one magic lick that holds it all together. The best music, the most memorable, is comprised of a few key parts. Find those parts and suddenly you don't need all those VI's.
I will now get off my high horse and pile 20 more parts onto this friggin' song, since I can't seem to find that one particular lick....

[toodamnhip]

Originally posted by duncan:
This discussion reminds me of an image from the 60's - a Volkswagen stuffed with 18 people. Sure they could squeeze them all in there, but it would be a bitch to drive and it wouldn't go very fast.
It's not natural to have one machine doing the recording, instruments, and mixing. That's why they make mixers and musical instruments. You want to tax your computer to the limit? Accept the consequences.
I use a digital mixer and hardware synths. Hardware synths have no latency problems, and mixers have faders. I love sitting down in my studio. Everything works, nothing crashes, and all I have to do is make music.
The trick is finding that one musical part that works for the song, instead of piling on 20 that hide the fact that you haven't found that one magic lick that holds it all together. The best music, the most memorable, is comprised of a few key parts. Find those parts and suddenly you don't need all those VI's.
I will now get off my high horse and pile 20 more parts onto this friggin' song, since I can't seem to find that one particular lick....

Funny •••• dude...
ah yes..piling on parts because we can;t get it right...
A sad addiction isn't t?

[Timeline]

Since were paralleling the '60s I couldn't resist.

Try it with a class a preamp into 16 track 2" and monitor through a decent analog mixer. Suddenly the part works and your brain knows what to do with it.

Funny that.

[chuklove]

Slave, where are you ? I'm going to prague to do a string session andi 'm recording two discreet orchestras in surround and I'm curious to learn more about your supernode system and how it integrates with dp. I've also heard from a friend that a similar system is in use at skywalker ranch. If the mac is running in cyrillic, would that affect latency? Any help whatsoever...my plane leaves friday...

[slave]

Originally posted by chuk:
Slave, where are you ? I'm going to prague to do a string session andi 'm recording two discreet orchestras in surround and I'm curious to learn more about your supernode system and how it integrates with dp. I've also heard from a friend that a similar system is in use at skywalker ranch. If the mac is running in cyrillic, would that affect latency? Any help whatsoever...my plane leaves friday...

Chuk,
The czechs really Know their stuff. But just in case I'll
leave the backdoor open on the site , or , email you privately ..
I'll give you ex. of what your in for !!!!
Just make sure the Translator is a GOOD ONE!!!!!!

[sndhse]

Have a look here
http://www.museresearch.com/receptor_videos.php
John

[grimepoch]

Very neat, and depending on performance, doesn't seem horribly priced. Cheaper than the Akai Z8 I had, and that thing was a POS.

The only bothering aspect of it is I looked through just about the WHOLE website, and I don't see anything describing performance. It supports 16 instruments, it supports 57 effects, but having some examples of configurations might be nice for them. It's essentially a computer system in a box, although I agree with them it seems a real good addition for those of us running a computer as a separate synth.

They have one at the local Sam Ash. Maybe it's time to test it out

[sndhse]

Enc0der
Think I'll contact them and ask about the performance aspect, and let you know.
It could be an awesome alternative instead of the expense of another computer just running VI's.

[Jaysplace101]

RECEPTOR: but you'd have to buy VST VI's for all the AU one's you've purchased. And they have to be windows VST's. I wonder how tough it is to get some of your plugs transferred, or re-purchased in window's VST format.... NI, Stylus, Atmos, etc.

Also, I wonder aout latency. Latency is part of the reason I've wanted everything to be on one computer. I

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[jimjacobsen]

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH: I have a PC running VIs under V-Stack (a $50 pgm from Steinberg) and it's rockin'.
V-Stack is just a virtual rack when used this way.
I can multiple Atmospheres, Trilogy, RMX, EWQLSO gold, Vanguard, Absynth, Boesendorfer 290, etc, at once with no sweat. I run just the B 290 within DP and DP grinds to a halt.

[dixiechicken]

Someone on this thread mentioned quad-g5:s.

I dont know if this was wishful thinking or just
general speculation relating to content in the thread.

However enormously powerful future G5-systems does
not seem very likely for a long time to come,
since Apple is starting it's switch to Intel
processors.


(unless we're talking about certain gaming consoles
wich Apple doesnt produce anyway)

Intel will eventually produce quad-cpu:s I'm certain -
that may find their way into Apple computers.
That is still some years away though.

Cheers: Dixiechicken

[Michael Canavan]

Originally posted by dixiechicken:
Intel will eventually produce quad-cpu:s I'm certain -
that may find their way into Apple computers.
That is still some years away though.

I wouldn't be so certain that it's years way. My guess is Apple releases dual core powerbooks out the door, and multi core powermacs not much after. the one thing to consider is that whether people want to admit it or not, the measly ass 3.6 they sent out as a test machine for coders is nothing like what they will eventually release, and even that machine beats a dual 2 Gig, and quite possibly a dual 2.7, depending on whether the application running is coded for duals effectively or not.