TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
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Re: TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
I'm glad that my old 2.x license still works. Otherwise I would have serious misgivings about a product where the the installer info is wrong and the documentation hasn't been updated since OS 9 in 2002.
Yes, it's not that hard to figure out. In addition, help on the Finale support boards is there but, when charging $100 for a license, giving correct install instructions and an overview how each of the tools really works nowadays is to be expected. The free/lite version included with Finale 2014 has concise instructions when you click on
On a Mac, you install the file manually:
/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2014.5/Plug-ins/TG Tools
To enable your 30 day demo, easiest to click on Repeat TGTools Command under Finale/Plugins/TGTools and click on Registration.
This info from the web site is wrong, BTW or rather it was right a long time ago.
Do not put these plug-in files into subfolders under Plug-Ins. Please put them into the main Plug-Ins folder.
Once properly installed, the "Lite" version that installs with Finale is found under Plug-Ins/TGTools while the Pro version has its own menu.
The real issue, of course, is that very few of these tools are add-ons for convenience. Their functionality should have been incorporated in Finale over a decade ago. The Lyric tools by themselves overcome issues that CodaMusic should have addressed by Finale 2001.
I'm glad that I spent the money way back then and more glad I don't have to spend it again. If I were new to TGTools, I would be wondering why I should have to stumble about just to install correctly.
So far, I have experienced a few menu anomalies that I can't duplicate consistently. The new version of the Tools seems to be working.
Yes, it's not that hard to figure out. In addition, help on the Finale support boards is there but, when charging $100 for a license, giving correct install instructions and an overview how each of the tools really works nowadays is to be expected. The free/lite version included with Finale 2014 has concise instructions when you click on
On a Mac, you install the file manually:
/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2014.5/Plug-ins/TG Tools
To enable your 30 day demo, easiest to click on Repeat TGTools Command under Finale/Plugins/TGTools and click on Registration.
This info from the web site is wrong, BTW or rather it was right a long time ago.
Do not put these plug-in files into subfolders under Plug-Ins. Please put them into the main Plug-Ins folder.
Once properly installed, the "Lite" version that installs with Finale is found under Plug-Ins/TGTools while the Pro version has its own menu.
The real issue, of course, is that very few of these tools are add-ons for convenience. Their functionality should have been incorporated in Finale over a decade ago. The Lyric tools by themselves overcome issues that CodaMusic should have addressed by Finale 2001.
I'm glad that I spent the money way back then and more glad I don't have to spend it again. If I were new to TGTools, I would be wondering why I should have to stumble about just to install correctly.
So far, I have experienced a few menu anomalies that I can't duplicate consistently. The new version of the Tools seems to be working.
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Re: TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
Thanks for the links and the hints. I didn't know about these tools before. Downloaded and installed last night. I'll wait a week or two on the demo start time, as I won't need to use Finale that badly until then (most likely).
I had a hard time on their website telling whether/what it costs so thought it might be free. Now that I know it's a demo with a ticking clock, I'll be careful not to launch it until I actually plan to use/audition it.
I had a hard time on their website telling whether/what it costs so thought it might be free. Now that I know it's a demo with a ticking clock, I'll be careful not to launch it until I actually plan to use/audition it.
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Re: TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
Yea, more confusion not clear or not present on the web site. I got into this when my daughter downloaded and couldn't figure it out.mhschmieder wrote:Thanks for the links and the hints. I didn't know about these tools before. Downloaded and installed last night. I'll wait a week or two on the demo start time, as I won't need to use Finale that badly until then (most likely).
I had a hard time on their website telling whether/what it costs so thought it might be free. Now that I know it's a demo with a ticking clock, I'll be careful not to launch it until I actually plan to use/audition it.
The Pro demo won't start ticking till you enable in under Registration. The 'lite' version is included with Finale and works.
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Re: TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
Ah, thanks -- I thought maybe I had downloaded the light version earlier from another hint on this forum and had simply forgotten, as I saw it there in the Plug-ins folder when I copied the full version there, wondering if Finale would see both and/or invalidate the light version if I choose not to buy the full. I'll cross that bridge later as likely I will want to buy the full version once I've tried it.
My jazz combo bandleader uses a "lesser" version of Finale (I forget all the names they use for their different tiers of notation products), but I'm guessing he won't be able to try this unless he upgrades to full Finale. We were just last night talking about some limitations of notation programs that we have faced within our band when it comes to producing lead sheets and the like.
Just checked their website, which is easy to navigate and lists the full tier structure of products:
http://www.finalemusic.com/products/
I think my bandleader has SongWriter and not PrintMaker. He's willing to upgrade to full Finale if he can do so affordably, like I did, so I'll see what competitive conditions pertain as I believe I was eligible due to owning Notion.
Just finished checking, and he's out of luck. $450 is a lot to pay for an upgrade, compared to the $112 or whatever that I paid just due to owning Notion. Maybe he should buy Notion first.
My jazz combo bandleader uses a "lesser" version of Finale (I forget all the names they use for their different tiers of notation products), but I'm guessing he won't be able to try this unless he upgrades to full Finale. We were just last night talking about some limitations of notation programs that we have faced within our band when it comes to producing lead sheets and the like.
Just checked their website, which is easy to navigate and lists the full tier structure of products:
http://www.finalemusic.com/products/
I think my bandleader has SongWriter and not PrintMaker. He's willing to upgrade to full Finale if he can do so affordably, like I did, so I'll see what competitive conditions pertain as I believe I was eligible due to owning Notion.
Just finished checking, and he's out of luck. $450 is a lot to pay for an upgrade, compared to the $112 or whatever that I paid just due to owning Notion. Maybe he should buy Notion first.
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Re: TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
The crossgrade route is certainly the way to go. I don't see Mosaic or Composer on the list anymore. The current list. Doesn't matter how old. If your buddy has floppies of Opcode Overture around, that works.
Score
Notion
Sibelius
Encore
Overture
Kelly's Music and Computers is advertising the cross-grade for $115. It was less expensive for me to upgrade another of my Encore licenses than to update my copy of Finale 2011.
http://kellysmusicandcomputers.com/fina ... trade-up-c
Score
Notion
Sibelius
Encore
Overture
Kelly's Music and Computers is advertising the cross-grade for $115. It was less expensive for me to upgrade another of my Encore licenses than to update my copy of Finale 2011.
http://kellysmusicandcomputers.com/fina ... trade-up-c
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Re: TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
Here's the interface anomaly I mentioned.
When I open a file, the TGTools menu header does not display. Clicking on Plug-ins and scrolling down to TGTools submenu usually displays everything for a second. Then the TGTools menu appears in the header. Now the Pro version plugs display correctly there leaving only the bundled 'lite' versions in the TGT submenu under Plug-ins.
Sometimes all the plugs stay in the submenu and the TGT header does not display. I have figured out who Tobias is on the Finale forum and I'll report what I find there.
In any case, it's a minor issue affecting the interface only. The plugins I have tried appear to work correctly. Despite my issues with the installation instructions, documentation and web site, these plugs do save time and that is the important thing.
When I open a file, the TGTools menu header does not display. Clicking on Plug-ins and scrolling down to TGTools submenu usually displays everything for a second. Then the TGTools menu appears in the header. Now the Pro version plugs display correctly there leaving only the bundled 'lite' versions in the TGT submenu under Plug-ins.
Sometimes all the plugs stay in the submenu and the TGT header does not display. I have figured out who Tobias is on the Finale forum and I'll report what I find there.
In any case, it's a minor issue affecting the interface only. The plugins I have tried appear to work correctly. Despite my issues with the installation instructions, documentation and web site, these plugs do save time and that is the important thing.
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Re: TG Tools for Finale 2014.5 beta is out
Cool; thanks for the list. Somehow I missed it when I searched their site, and thought they were down to only supporting Notion and Sibelius as cross-grades.
We work with a lot of musicians (typical of jazz) who come and go, and most are composers as well. They each seem to use a different notation program -- some I haven't even heard of!
We work with a lot of musicians (typical of jazz) who come and go, and most are composers as well. They each seem to use a different notation program -- some I haven't even heard of!
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