A newly discovered flaw in Clippings??????

[Shooshie]

The lack of takes in clippings has been discussed here several times in the past. It's definitely not ideal. You should explain why in a letter to MOTU. A concise, well-reasoned explanation will catch their attention far quicker than other ways.

If I'm going to store a chunk, I duplicate it in the Chunks Window, and from there I can keep it in a number of ways, splitting it off by itself in a new file, or adding it to big backup files, or just keeping copies of the current file. Duplicating a sequence is the only way I know of storing all the data from that sequence, takes and all.

Of course, you can split apart the takes into independent tracks, then save those in Clippings. It's an extra command or two, but it should work. I haven't had to use that method, since I store chunks whole. I use Clippings for other things.

Shooshie

[toodamnhip]

The lack of takes in clippings has been discussed here several times in the past. It's definitely not ideal. You should explain why in a letter to MOTU. A concise, well-reasoned explanation will catch their attention far quicker than other ways.

If I'm going to store a chunk, I duplicate it in the Chunks Window, and from there I can keep it in a number of ways, splitting it off by itself in a new file, or adding it to big backup files, or just keeping copies of the current file. Duplicating a sequence is the only way I know of storing all the data from that sequence, takes and all.

Of course, you can split apart the takes into independent tracks, then save those in Clippings. It's an extra command or two, but it should work. I haven't had to use that method, since I store chunks whole. I use Clippings for other things.

Shooshie

I am running into this issue again in 2015/2016. I would add here that if you split out a lead vocals takes before copying all sub takes into a clipping, when you put the vocal back together in the new sequence, you lose the markers of where you made comp maneuvers.

[cleamon]

I am running into this issue again in 2015/2016. I would add here that if you split out a lead vocals takes before copying all sub takes into a clipping, when you put the vocal back together in the new sequence, you lose the markers of where you made comp maneuvers.

This doesn't solve ALL of your issue, but what I've found is that if I "show all takes", then select them, then copy to clipping, all takes are copied and can be pasted. When pasted the takes are all inserted as separate tracks, so you have to "absorb" selected tracks into takes. Of course you lose the comp information, but that's a different issue. ALL the recorded data is there.

[toodamnhip]

I am running into this issue again in 2015/2016. I would add here that if you split out a lead vocals takes before copying all sub takes into a clipping, when you put the vocal back together in the new sequence, you lose the markers of where you made comp maneuvers.

This doesn't solve ALL of your issue, but what I've found is that if I "show all takes", then select them, then copy to clipping, all takes are copied and can be pasted. When pasted the takes are all inserted as separate tracks, so you have to "absorb" selected tracks into takes. Of course you lose the comp information, but that's a different issue. ALL the recorded data is there.

Yes, I understand all of that and thank you. I need that comp info at various times so I’d rather not lose it.

I have gone to another technique as of late where I duplicate the chunk (sequence), erase all un-needed parts but the “vocal" for instance, then drag the chunk/sequence INTO the left side of the Tracks Overview in the chunk/seq I want it to go to. Then hit “ignore” when prompted about the data and you get a perfect insert of the take without the drawbacks of using clippings. I still use clippings but this other technique I mentioned , though a hassle, works well.

Clippings is a nice feature but it would be much better for MOTU to at least provide an option to include sub tracks and also for clippings to not lose folders, routing, etc. It is an unfinished piece of programming in my opinion. Good start, but after many years, time to finish.

[stubbsonic]

Though I understand the problem from a design point-of-view. I'd really love to see VERY bloated preferences. I.e., give folks the ability to really fine-tune things like this in preferences. Or, just bring up a quick check box that says, "include takes?" boom. (Maybe there'd need to be a longer list of things to include/exclude.

[FMiguelez]

It is also as bad, if not more, that when copying-pasting-snipping, we cannot include takes in regular tracks.

We need to have the option to include/exclude Takes when snipping and copying

WE USED to be able to do this in DP7, but MOTU took it away sometime during DP8 (I´m almost positive about this... there was an option that gave you the chance to include or exclude takes).

[toodamnhip]

It is also as bad, if not more, that when copying-pasting-snipping, we cannot include takes in regular tracks.

We need to have the option to include/exclude Takes when snipping and copying

WE USED to be able to do this in DP7, but MOTU took it away sometime during DP8 (I´m almost positive about this... there was an option that gave you the chance to include or exclude takes).

Agreed.

[csavetman]

It is also as bad, if not more, that when copying-pasting-snipping, we cannot include takes in regular tracks.

We need to have the option to include/exclude Takes when snipping and copying

WE USED to be able to do this in DP7, but MOTU took it away sometime during DP8 (I´m almost positive about this... there was an option that gave you the chance to include or exclude takes).

Wow! I've been wanting this feature for a while now. I don't think I ever realized DP used to have it and got rid of it. Let's hope it makes its way back! Just a preference…include takes in copy and paste.

Carlos