Is there a setup for wiper position after playback

[kdm]

So if you want to help some lazy bones who can find the answer(s) for themselves but won't, have at it. I will continue to spread the word that there's a damn manual and just f$%^ing read it!

Re-read my post. I already said I don't answer lazy questions. And I won't spend any more time making this point any clearer other than to say that if a forum just tells people to RTFM, no one will bother posting. As I alluded to earlier, I learned pretty much everything I wanted to know about DP on my own, and almost nothing from this forum. Sorry to be blunt, but it isn't exactly the most receptive, inviting DAW forum. On the contrary, it is probably the least in my many years of experience.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

It's a tough crowd, for sure. Just like the real world. I like that.

[kdm]

Tough doesn't bother me, but useless doesn't warrant my time and interest, or that of other DP users. If you guys want to win over more DP users, that might be something to consider. There is a reason people avoid some forums, and sometimes the respective DAW as well.

[stubbsonic]

It is easy to dismiss someone as lazy. It is usually more complicated than that. I've never had any problem reading manuals and am very comfortable looking stuff up that way. Occasionally I get stuck, or (more often) am forgetful.

For a person to just read the manual is unrealistic. It is almost a 1000 pages.

The acronym should be CTFM (consult the f'n manual). But in order to do so, a person needs to know what to look up in the index. Often, a person who doesn't have the lingo down can struggle to find things in the index.

I had that experience with Sibelius, every time I'd look up something in the index, it simply wasn't there. Happened about a dozen times. I hated that experience.

[kdm]

Often, a person who doesn't have the lingo down can struggle to find things in the index.

I had that experience with Sibelius, every time I'd look up something in the index, it simply wasn't there. Happened about a dozen times. I hated that experience.

And that is a big reason why most people try DP and give up. I know quite a few cases like that. Reading the manual only goes so far. The problem most people face is that DP's logic is different than most every other DAW. Reading a manual doesn't help there. I only came back to DP because I am too stubborn to let a DAW dictate how I work and when one tool or approach fails, I find another.

Had I been swayed by ease of use, online presence, or even basic DAW popularity, I never would have moved to DP. Nuendo has more features, a much more appealing GUI, a much bigger user base, and I have a very helpful, highly tech-savvy group of Nuendo users I work with. Most people only have the demo, the online help/manual, and nothing else to convince them it is even worth considering. There aren't many people like me. If Nuendo gains some DP-like features I and others have requested, there won't be much reason to stick with DP, straining my eyes to read the tiny text, and figuring out how to make the most of the application while avoiding bugs and quirks in a relative vacuum.

It's a tough market to try to survive as an elusive, somewhat aloof DAW. It will take more than adding more guitar fx pedal plugins.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Tough doesn't bother me, but useless doesn't warrant my time and interest, or that of other DP users. If you guys want to win over more DP users, that might be something to consider. There is a reason people avoid some forums, and sometimes the respective DAW as well.

My participation here has NOTHING to do with trying to promote DP or anything else. I see it as largely a technical forum. It is not owned or run by MOTU and it's their job to promote DP.

...that is a big reason why most people try DP and give up.

I've never heard one person say they left DP because the learning curve was too hard. It's no harder than any other DAW and easier than most. But that isn't the issue.

So while you don't have time to tell people how to teach themselves, I don't have time to argue this any further. Have fun, kids.

10-4 little buddies.

[stubbsonic]

And that is a big reason why most people try DP and give up. I know quite a few cases like that. Reading the manual only goes so far. The problem most people face is that DP's logic is different than most every other DAW. Reading a manual doesn't help there. I only came back to DP because I am too stubborn to let a DAW dictate how I work and when one tool or approach fails, I find another.

Had I been swayed by ease of use, online presence, or even basic DAW popularity, I never would have moved to DP. Nuendo has more features, a much more appealing GUI, a much bigger user base, and I have a very helpful, highly tech-savvy group of Nuendo users I work with. Most people only have the demo, the online help/manual, and nothing else to convince them it is even worth considering. There aren't many people like me. If Nuendo gains some DP-like features I and others have requested, there won't be much reason to stick with DP, straining my eyes to read the tiny text, and figuring out how to make the most of the application while avoiding bugs and quirks in a relative vacuum.

It's a tough market to try to survive as an elusive, somewhat aloof DAW. It will take more than adding more guitar fx pedal plugins.

I think your points are valid, but I'll respond to a few points.

First, though, the logic of DP is VERY logical. I think one of the reasons I'm so successful with DP is just that it follows an internal structure very consistently. That said, any DAW has two learning curves to deal with: 1. the initial learning curve, and 2. the long-term learning curve. DP is fantastic on both scores, because it has a very well-written manual-- I'd go as far as to say it is one of the best in the industry; and because the software itself stays consistent internally.

I think the Windows user experience is probably made much more difficult since there isn't much of an established base of users yet.

Bugs & quirks? Yes. But surely those are in all DAWs. Tiny fonts? You're preaching to the choir.

[Guitar Gaz]

Sorry to be blunt, but it isn't exactly the most receptive, inviting DAW forum. On the contrary, it is probably the least in my many years of experience.

Hmmm... I have to disagree with that based on my experience.

[bayswater]

For a person to just read the manual is unrealistic. It is almost a 1000 pages.

The fact that an unread manual is 1,000 pages suggests DP does a lot of stuff you (not you personally) don't know about. It's not a good reason to never read it. It is unrealistic to think anyone is going to buy DP and immediately read all 1,000 pages, but I would expect someone to look at Getting Started, do a quick scan of the main manual, and after using DP for a while, go more thoroughly through the manual. No one has to read the whole thing -- there are always sections that don't apply.

I find it hard to imagine not reading the manual at some point, especially for someone who depends on DP for an income.

[Bowman]

For a person to just read the manual is unrealistic. It is almost a 1000 pages.

I guess I'm weird, because that is exactly what I did when I first set out to use DP.

Bowman.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

For a person to just read the manual is unrealistic. It is almost a 1000 pages.

I guess I'm weird, because that is exactly what I did when I first set out to use DP.

Bowman.

+1 I like to read, especially when I get a new toy!

[James Steele]

There is a searchable PDF version of the manual. That should make it easier.

[stubbsonic]

The point I was not making very clearly is just that the manual CAN be read for someone who wants to master all aspects of this very deep program, or it can be used as a topic-specific reference when needed.

This particular manual is a great one, and even then, a user must know enough to know where to look, which is a bigger ask than we generally acknowledge.

[rockman413]

I just got back and sorry to cause you guys all the trouble and conflicts.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Not a problem. If you had posted about French fries we'd argue over it. LOL