Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
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- stubbsonic
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Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
I'm trying to lasso select MIDI notes in the graphic editor in DP7 it either doesn't select the notes at all or adds neighboring notes long after I release the mouse.
Since MOTU forced the lasso itself to snap to the grid (several versions ago), I've left grid snap on and have gotten in the habit of holding the command-key while lasso-selecting to temporarily suspend the grid. The highlighted rectangle surrounds the notes I want (including the beginnings of the notes), but it doesn't work correctly.
I am running Steer Mouse to add some functionality to the mouse, but haven't done anything to the main buttons-- and they otherwise function perfectly both in DP and everything else.
I guess my next question is might I expect the same behavior from DP8? I bought the upgrade, but have not yet installed it as I have a couple projects up and didn't want to switch in the middle of it. Should I just bite the bullet and switch from 7 to 8 now?
They way DP changed it's note selection process in the MIDI graphic window has been a disappointment for a long time. It used to be so fast, flawless and intuitive. Hasn't been right since version 4 or 5.
Since MOTU forced the lasso itself to snap to the grid (several versions ago), I've left grid snap on and have gotten in the habit of holding the command-key while lasso-selecting to temporarily suspend the grid. The highlighted rectangle surrounds the notes I want (including the beginnings of the notes), but it doesn't work correctly.
I am running Steer Mouse to add some functionality to the mouse, but haven't done anything to the main buttons-- and they otherwise function perfectly both in DP and everything else.
I guess my next question is might I expect the same behavior from DP8? I bought the upgrade, but have not yet installed it as I have a couple projects up and didn't want to switch in the middle of it. Should I just bite the bullet and switch from 7 to 8 now?
They way DP changed it's note selection process in the MIDI graphic window has been a disappointment for a long time. It used to be so fast, flawless and intuitive. Hasn't been right since version 4 or 5.
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- Shooshie
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
Note selection is as it always was, as far as I can tell. The grid constraint of editing tools obeys the same rules that all other tools obey: if you've got the grid on, it will constrain selection to the grid. If not, it won't. In either case, the opposite effect is invoked when you hold the Command Key while selecting.
Shooshie
PS: Selection is one of DP's strengths. As one who uses selection as a fundamental method (all things depend on your ability to select and maintain a selection), I think it works great. I don't think any other platform can beat it.
Shooshie
PS: Selection is one of DP's strengths. As one who uses selection as a fundamental method (all things depend on your ability to select and maintain a selection), I think it works great. I don't think any other platform can beat it.
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
Oh yes indeed! You may have nailed it, Dan. I was wondering what would cause that behavior, but had forgotten all about Smart Selections. If not, then there is something wrong in his DP setup, perhaps indicating reinstalling DP — or just upgrading to DP8 as he asked about.Dan Worley wrote:Sounds like Smart Selections is turned on.
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- stubbsonic
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
Thanks, that was it. Somehow "smart" selections was turned back on. I've left it off for years, but it was probably turned back on after one of those trash-preferences maneuvers.
In past versions of DP, the lasso ignored the grid and worked predictably and with precision. After some major version upgrade (I can't remember now which version), the selection lasso followed the grid-enable-status. So unquantized notes that were early were left out of my selection-- even if my selection would have included them. Before, I could just make sure my lasso was a little before the beat I wanted to included. So now one hand on the keyboard at all times to press COMMAND to disable the grid for every selection. Ok.
However, since that change in how selection worked (even with "smart" selection turned off), I often have to wrestle both selection and dragging notes- not because I can't use a mouse well, but because it just stopped working correctly. When dragging horizontally, notes will skip over the grid point I want it to land on, unwanted notes get selected, wanted notes won't select, etc. Just buggy.
Contrast this with other programs I've used, where I've never had any selection or dragging issues.
I'm a little fussy about it, because selecting & moving MIDI notes is a HUGE part of my work flow. When they changed it, I never got that flow back entirely. Sometime maybe I'll try to make a screen vid of the issues to show them.
In past versions of DP, the lasso ignored the grid and worked predictably and with precision. After some major version upgrade (I can't remember now which version), the selection lasso followed the grid-enable-status. So unquantized notes that were early were left out of my selection-- even if my selection would have included them. Before, I could just make sure my lasso was a little before the beat I wanted to included. So now one hand on the keyboard at all times to press COMMAND to disable the grid for every selection. Ok.
However, since that change in how selection worked (even with "smart" selection turned off), I often have to wrestle both selection and dragging notes- not because I can't use a mouse well, but because it just stopped working correctly. When dragging horizontally, notes will skip over the grid point I want it to land on, unwanted notes get selected, wanted notes won't select, etc. Just buggy.
Contrast this with other programs I've used, where I've never had any selection or dragging issues.
I'm a little fussy about it, because selecting & moving MIDI notes is a HUGE part of my work flow. When they changed it, I never got that flow back entirely. Sometime maybe I'll try to make a screen vid of the issues to show them.
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
Smart Selections can bite you. A while back I asked for an edit window indicator that would show status. I now use a Keyboard Maestro macro to open the Edit drop down for 2 seconds then close to check SS status.
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- Shooshie
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
To be clear, with smart selections turned off, none of those problems are manifest. Selection of MIDI (or audio) is pixel-accurate to the resolution currently in use. We're all quite sensitive to that; if there were a change that caused selections to be inaccurate, we'd have a revolution in here. Selections were never an issue in any version that I can remember.
Smart Selections caused your problem. When used for its intended purpose, it can be quite handy, but if it gets turned on accidentally, it can mess with you.
As for the grid, if it's a problem, turn it off! If you need it, then use the COMMAND key. Either way, DP does exactly what it's intended to do. Why use a grid for selection, ever? Because when notes are quantized, it makes it easy to select them even with other notes close by. I don't use it often, but when I do, I'm glad it's there. It's faster than zooming in first.
Shooshie
Smart Selections caused your problem. When used for its intended purpose, it can be quite handy, but if it gets turned on accidentally, it can mess with you.
As for the grid, if it's a problem, turn it off! If you need it, then use the COMMAND key. Either way, DP does exactly what it's intended to do. Why use a grid for selection, ever? Because when notes are quantized, it makes it easy to select them even with other notes close by. I don't use it often, but when I do, I'm glad it's there. It's faster than zooming in first.
Shooshie
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- stubbsonic
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
I do appreciate the responses & suggestions very much. I also appreciate the reassurances, Shoosh.
To be clear, although Smart Selection was the issue in this case, selection and dragging IS buggy for me and has been since around DP5. In the past, Smart Selection was the first thing I'd check and make sure was off. This time, it slipped by. Usually, I check it, it's off, but the problems still persist.
This issue with selection and dragging in the MIDI graphic window has been a minor struggle for me for years. (I've probably b*tched about it on here before).
Perhaps I can make a video to demonstrate the issues. I guess since I must be alone in thinking it's messed up, I won't hold my breath for a solution. It'll just be one of those little things I have to deal with in an otherwise relatively cushy life.
To be clear, although Smart Selection was the issue in this case, selection and dragging IS buggy for me and has been since around DP5. In the past, Smart Selection was the first thing I'd check and make sure was off. This time, it slipped by. Usually, I check it, it's off, but the problems still persist.
This issue with selection and dragging in the MIDI graphic window has been a minor struggle for me for years. (I've probably b*tched about it on here before).

Perhaps I can make a video to demonstrate the issues. I guess since I must be alone in thinking it's messed up, I won't hold my breath for a solution. It'll just be one of those little things I have to deal with in an otherwise relatively cushy life.

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- stubbsonic
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
The other little annoyance is that I use option-drag quite frequently, but because the option key enables zooming, I'm often zoom accidentally. I don't know if there's a way to deactivate that zoom tool since I zoom in other ways (with my pressed mouse wheel). The other little annoyance is the zooming that happens on the scrub bar, but I've just learned to keep the scrubber out of the way when lasso'ing.
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- Shooshie
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
stubbsonic wrote:The other little annoyance is that I use option-drag quite frequently, but because the option key enables zooming, I'm often zoom accidentally. I don't know if there's a way to deactivate that zoom tool since I zoom in other ways (with my pressed mouse wheel). The other little annoyance is the zooming that happens on the scrub bar, but I've just learned to keep the scrubber out of the way when lasso'ing.
That IS annoying. I've learned to wait for the option key until I've already pressed the mouse button. But I still do that at least once a day!
There's a default zoom command, OPTION-B (or at least that's how mine is set up) which makes it pretty easy to get back to your default zoom level. Picture this: you just OPTION-Clicked in the MIDI Graphic Editor window and accidentally zoomed in. Without missing a beat, just click OPTION-B, and you are back to default.
Another way is to SHIFT-OPTION-Click, and it will take you back to default at least in a couple of clicks. Either way, you don't really have to move your hands from where they originally were. That's what makes it fast.
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- stubbsonic
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
Thanks, Shooshie. I think you may have told me about that in a previous thread. I use that SHIFT-OPTION-CLICK method all the time now.
I wish that MOTU would put the OPTION-click zoom function in the COMMANDS window so it could be deactivated. I also wish the zoom on the scroll bar function could be turned off in preferences, too. Pretty please?
I wish that MOTU would put the OPTION-click zoom function in the COMMANDS window so it could be deactivated. I also wish the zoom on the scroll bar function could be turned off in preferences, too. Pretty please?
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Re: Lasso selecting not working properly in DP7
Also, it used to be that I had to hold down shift to select a second note. I prefer this.
But now, if I have one note selected, and I got to select a 2nd note, the first one stays selected. I now have to click on the background to deselect the first note, before I select the second note. Probably have to do that a thousand times in an editing session.
But now, if I have one note selected, and I got to select a 2nd note, the first one stays selected. I now have to click on the background to deselect the first note, before I select the second note. Probably have to do that a thousand times in an editing session.
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