What 3 things about DP 8 annoy you the most?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Well the first two are one reason I never use quickscribe and always use Finale for print. The last one is not a problem for me and wasn't on my old G5 or G4 before it.

Are you using a custom mouse driver? I have had 'issues' with the Logitech drivers and use Steer Mouse (love it) with a Logitech MX Revolution (love it even more!)

Btw, I'm enjoying your posts and glad to have you in the group.

[ChrisByrd]

I do use Finale for layout and printing, but find QuickScribe a handy composing tool within DP, and slurs would make it that bit handier. Exporting lyrics aren't such a problem as I've found today that it's easy to copy them from the lyrics window into Finale. I probably won't be importing lyrics much apart from when transferring old projects across.

The nudge delay happens only if I use the keyboard shortcut, dragging with the Magic Trackpad is fine.

And, thank you - I'm enjoying being part of the DP community.

[toodamnhip]

I have abstained from commenting here for a long time. fearing letting myself loose and stirring up the faithful.

But now that I am mixing a major project in Pro Tools 9 native , Pro Tools is so much more efficient. I remember learning that DP may be better when it comes to VIs and this may or may not be true. But for normal, day to day mixing of audio, Pro Tools is so much smoother. No spinning beach balls. No delays after edits, file opens quicker. After years of working in computers, the computer starts to feel like an extension of one’s arm. In DP, every time DP lags, has spinning beach balls, whatever it being retarded about, you can FEEL it. In Pro Tools, moving audio automation, faders, soundbites, what have. It;s just INSTANT, no little lags. No sputters.
After all these years, DP has just not caught up with the coding of Pro Tools, this is fact.
BOTH programs have their strengths and are great programs, but it feels like DP is almost running some sort of emulation that the various maneuvers need to go through and is thus slower. Pro Tools is lightening fast when manipulating graphics, audio, etc.
I know this won;t be popular here but it is so noticeable that I had to mention it. I wasn't trying to notice anything. I work in Pro Tools and I am like "oh...this is what IMMEDIATE feels like” I remember this”
I had almost forgotten..lol

[MIDI Life Crisis]

So the three things that annoy you are: D, P, and 8? You sound like a guy who hates his wife but just can't bring himself to get a divorce. I'm not really sure why you're wasting time here? Yours and ours...

You're right, however. That's going to be a popular post and not even in keeping with the topic. Just start a DP bashing topic and have done with it.



ps- Not everyone is having the same experience as you are. Just sayin'...

[James Steele]

That may be true on your system. For whatever reason you always seemed to have the most cursed installation of DP ever.

[FMiguelez]

I have no problem reading your personal opinions, but...

I have abstained from commenting here for a long time. fearing letting myself loose and stirring up the faithful.

... Was that really necessary?
What exactly are you trying to say with that?

[James Steele]

Woah... we need to BACK UP, everyone!

Look, TDH, you have a right to express your opinion. That's fine. I don't know why your experience has been so bad with DP lately, but I'll take you at your word. The thing is though, that I have a friend who works day in and day out in both DP and PT and for some reason he tells me he can work WAY faster in DP... especially as far as audio editing goes. Now I don't know why he says that... maybe his method of working?

I don't feel threatened by your comments really because I know too many people who are professionals that prefer to work in DP over PT. Anyway, pound the nail with whatever brand of hammer floats your boat.

[toodamnhip]

Woah... we need to BACK UP, everyone!

Look, TDH, you have a right to express your opinion. That's fine. I don't know why your experience has been so bad with DP lately, but I'll take you at your word. The thing is though, that I have a friend who works day in and day out in both DP and PT and for some reason he tells me he can work WAY faster in DP... especially as far as audio editing goes. Now I don't know why he says that... maybe his method of working?

I don't feel threatened by your comments really because I know too many people who are professionals that prefer to work in DP over PT. Anyway, pound the nail with whatever brand of hammer floats your boat.

Looks like I am the only guy at the forum who doesn;t get to be annoyed by ANYTHING in DP without being attacked somewhat. The flack I get here is somewhat comical.
Those who know my name can see my resume’, I am not some fool.
These problems have occurred with the worlds best techs through several computers and systems.
I am not having ANY problems with DP. I just found it way less efficient when doing a recent mix on Pro Tools. Maybe DP cannot handle the amount of plug in automation I do compared to your friend? I don’t know. Maybe every computer is it’s own world.

And me being afraid of a divorce from DP? I like DP, I am lightening fast on it. It is just not lightening fast in return. Kind of like a wife you love but that ol’ pro tools, she’s a hot babe too and she is faster.

But again, I don;t think I am allowed to think that. Others here are, but not me, at least not without personal attacks. It is “allowed", but I am attacked somewhat as an “only one, an exception”. But remember everybody, EVERY TIME I get attacked for my opinions on these boards, other members pm me and call you names and say they wish they too could be outspoken. And jeez, i don’t even think I was being outspoken. I DID say I was reluctant to come to the conclusion but that it was unavoidable. Did anyone here MALICE in my original post? The reaction to it feels a bit that way.
Make me out to be some amateur who is the only guy with problems,....Enjoy guys

[FMiguelez]

What do resumes have to do with this thread?
You don't think you're the only one in this board who works with "huge" projects or with world-class musicians, correct?

You say you're the only one who gets attacked for being outspoken about DP's flaws. Could your posting style have anything to do with it? Just read this thread... It's full of DP criticism and no one, as far as I can tell, had been "attacked" for critiquing DP!

You also say you get PMs in support of your views and people call us names. Have you considered you might not be the only one who gets such PMs, where members call YOU names for the opposite reason? Just wondering...

Like you've been told several times, it's totally fine to critique DP. It's a way to tell MOTU we expect more and even a way to let them know about the areas where DP could be stronger. That's great! But all that can be done with a more positive light, without sounding like you are superior or overly aggresive. You could accomplish the exact same thing without people reacting strongly against your attitude. Just saying...

To be honest, your opening paragraph, where you call members "faithful", was not the best opening line either, especially if you didn't want to feel counter-attacked, or more precisely, challenged.
If that comment was not an attack by you, what was it then?

We all want the same thing, TDH: We all want DP to be as good as it can get!

[James Steele]

I am not having ANY problems with DP. I just found it way less efficient when doing a recent mix on Pro Tools. Maybe DP cannot handle the amount of plug in automation I do compared to your friend? I don’t know. Maybe every computer is it’s own world.

I don't know. Depends on the method in which people work. So use DP for what it does well, use PT for what it doesn't. What do I care?

But again, I don;t think I am allowed to think that. Others here are, but not me, at least not without personal attacks. It is “allowed", but I am attacked somewhat as an “only one, an exception”.

There have been times where you've been afflicted with issues that many of us cannot reproduce. Other times not. Sorry you feel attacked. Sometimes I think I know I get weary of people pounding on a particular issue repeatedly when there's nothing much we can do about it. I often say "Report it to MOTU." Beyond that, what can anybody do?

But remember everybody, EVERY TIME I get attacked for my opinions on these boards, other members pm me and call you names and say they wish they too could be outspoken.

Well that's nice of you to share. I know that other people calling me names in PMs buttresses the case. They're welcome to be outspoken. Notice you're still here. Nobody's prohibited you from speaking. I notice though that if anybody pipes up in a topic and mentions they aren't having problems, they're denigrated as "the DP faithful" or "fanboys" because they actually don't always take on face value some of the reports that don't jibe with their own experience.

And jeez, i don’t even think I was being outspoken. I DID say I was reluctant to come to the conclusion but that it was unavoidable. Did anyone here MALICE in my original post? The reaction to it feels a bit that way.
Make me out to be some amateur who is the only guy with problems,....Enjoy guys

It was unavoidable to you. I got it. But you made mention of expecting some pushback from the "DP Faithful"... and I hope you weren't implying simply blind defense of DP, because that doesn't happen here.

[toodamnhip]

What do resumes have to do with this thread?
You don't think you're the only one in this board who works with "huge" projects or with world-class musicians, correct?

You say you're the only one who gets attacked for being outspoken about DP's flaws. Could your posting style have anything to do with it? Just read this thread... It's full of DP criticism and no one, as far as I can tell, had been "attacked" for critiquing DP!

You also say you get PMs in support of your views and people call us names. Have you considered you might not be the only one who gets such PMs, where members call YOU names for the opposite reason? Just wondering...

Like you've been told several times, it's totally fine to critique DP. It's a way to tell MOTU we expect more and even a way to let them know about the areas where DP could be stronger. That's great! But all that can be done with a more positive light, without sounding like you are superior or overly aggresive. You could accomplish the exact same thing without people reacting strongly against your attitude. Just saying...

To be honest, your opening paragraph, where you call members "faithful", was not the best opening line either, especially if you didn't want to feel counter-attacked, or more precisely, challenged.
If that comment was not an attack by you, what was it then?

We all want the same thing, TDH: We all want DP to be as good as it can get!

I read what you wrote. I Didn’t feel most of it worth a response to be honest.

Except we can agree that we all want DP to be better.
Notice, I didn’t start this thread...Why don;t you get on the critic that did?.lol
I get it though. You want me to respond to a thread about what ANNOYS me about DP, without sounding annoyed...Makes sense.

[toodamnhip]

Notice you're still here. Nobody's prohibited you from speaking.

And for that, I am grateful...
No one else is grateful that I’m here, but I am...lol

[James Steele]

I think perhaps part of why some might take issue is that you said "normal day to day mixing." What is "normal and day to day" actually might vary as you mentioned you use a lot of plug-in automation. I'm not sure just how much. Perhaps you use more than other people and that's why you're running into issues that others are not. Your "normal and day to day" may be different than others, so that description of the kind of mixing you're talking about is subjective and different for different people.

[waterstrum]

Mr. T....
Are you saying you ran the same project in DP and PT and that it ran better in PT?
Were you running it on the same machine? Same plugins etc?
That sounds like information that could benefit MOTU and the DP users here.
More specs would be helpful.

[Guitar Gaz]

Notice you're still here. Nobody's prohibited you from speaking.

And for that, I am grateful...
No one else is grateful that I’m here, but I am...lol

The thread is called "What 3 things annoy you about DP the most" - sounds to me that you are just giving your opinion based on experience. What's wrong with that? People are very defensive about DP - so why have this thread if some people don't want to know what some people think? DP is not perfect, but then neither is Pro Tools.

What would be nice is if people here could work out if there was a difference that was holding back DP performance on your setup rather than doubting your opinion and your agenda. Or maybe there is a fault with DP that should be corrected. Anyway - either way stick around on this forum !