CD burn of project disrupted

[Pakub]

Hello,
I was trying to burn master of my project from DP7 and it was repetedly disrupted few seconds before completing. The error massage says something about that the burned disk would not be OK and indeed, it's not. The CD player loads the CD, correctly reads the number of tracks and the length of project, but in the last track, just about 10 seconds before the end of my "masterpeace" it starts to skip and don't make it to the finish.

The project looks like:
- 15 soundbites (44,1 kHz/16 bit) in two stereo tracks to make nice crossfades between tracks
- just simple corrections of volume using volume automation
- the master channel with just one plugin - for metering, to see if everything is under zero
- I gave markers to the desired beginnings of tracks which are named after the compositions to make them the CD text for particular tracks. So there are 15 markers - first on the zero to give name to the first track, etc...

There is nothing more I could say about it at this time. I select the project in its wholeness, from beginning to end, and "bounce", choose "burn to cd". And that's it.

Any ideas? Is it problem of DP7 or it could be problem of computer (white macbook) or the CD burner?

Thanks for your time and advices.

Pakub

[Shooshie]

That is usually because of a problem either with the CD disc itself, and/or the burning speed. Try using one of the mid-speeds, say, 16x.

If lowering the speed doesn't work, try another brand of discs. If nothing works, then maybe it's the fault of the software, but in my experience, it's always been the disc/burn speed.

Shooshie

[Pakub]

OK, thanks. I burned it on some Verbatim - do you have some tip, which brand is reliable?
Because I think I didn't use some high speed, maybe just the "8x". I don't have my recording computer with me right now, so I can't say for sure...

[mikehalloran]

Interesting. I prefer Verbatim (Mitsubishi) Datalife because I find them the most reliable. Anyway, it does sound like a media error.

Disks burn from the center out. Look to the edge of the burn for a fingerprint, scratch or flaw in the dye layer itself.

The other two possibilities can be the burner of the file. Burning the sound bite that failed will eliminate one possibility and and burning a larger file to disk shout eliminate the other.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

DPs CD burn feature is somewhat lacking and has been problem laden since it's inception. Pretty useless IMO. I wish it would work and I wish it would also work AT ALL with other than projects in 44.1k but that does not appear to be on the horizon.

[Dan Worley]

Hello,
I was trying to burn master of my project from DP7 and it was repetedly disrupted few seconds before completing. The error massage says something about that the burned disk would not be OK and indeed, it's not. The CD player loads the CD, correctly reads the number of tracks and the length of project, but in the last track, just about 10 seconds before the end of my "masterpeace" it starts to skip and don't make it to the finish.

The project looks like:
- 15 soundbites (44,1 kHz/16 bit) in two stereo tracks to make nice crossfades between tracks
- just simple corrections of volume using volume automation
- the master channel with just one plugin - for metering, to see if everything is under zero
- I gave markers to the desired beginnings of tracks which are named after the compositions to make them the CD text for particular tracks. So there are 15 markers - first on the zero to give name to the first track, etc...

There is nothing more I could say about it at this time. I select the project in its wholeness, from beginning to end, and "bounce", choose "burn to cd". And that's it.

Any ideas? Is it problem of DP7 or it could be problem of computer (white macbook) or the CD burner?

Thanks for your time and advices.

Pakub

Now many minutes in total? Sounds like you may be going over time. Errors start popping up all over when you do that.

[Pakub]

Mikehalloran: OK, I'll try to check the blank disk visualy before burn to make myself sure that there are no fingerprints etc. But as I said, the burning process failed several times...

MIDI Life Crisis: Yes, the necessity of having everything converted to 44,1 bothers me too. When burning my previous project I had similar problems, so I took the CD-RW media and tried to burn/erase/burn/erase.. till it once went out good. But I am not satisfied with this procedure..

Dan Worley: It isn't in the length. The project is about 49 minutes in length and particular tracks (i.e. soundbites) are from 2 to 4 minutes, so nothing too short and nothing too long...

I'll try too buy some other good blank media and new CD-RW as well and try again tomorrow. Thanks to everybody for now...

[mikehalloran]

DPs CD burn feature is somewhat lacking

I didn't realize you were using that. I forget it's there. Most of us don't use it. I use Toast 11 or DSP Quatro 4. Others use Peak and the discontinued WavBurner if they also have Logic Studio (I have but never used).

so I took the CD-RW media

Red flag on the play!

Toast always pops a dialog asking if you really want to use CD-RW for audio. There's a reason for this. CD-RW is never recommended for audio and that may be your problem.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

DPs CD burn feature is somewhat lacking

I didn't realize you were using that.

(I'm being quoted) ... and I'm NOT using it. I tried it when it was introduced and quickly updated Toast.

[Pakub]

I used the CD-RW just as a crisis solution last time because I destroyed 5 normal, not rewritable medias before due to this problem. But I know they are not good for music...

To use some other burning program as Toast (I don't have the others) - so I need to make particular masters to all of the tracks (i.e. bounce them to disk in desired volume levels) and than "create audio CD" from this wav files in Toast?
I know that there is some feature of crossfades in Toast as well, but I'm not sure if there are possibilities to set them so precisely as if I see soundbites and their fade ins/outs in DP...

It's realy pity if simple burn of CD doesn't work reliable in DP because it seems to me as fundamental function of audio recording software, isn't it?

[philbrown]

It's realy pity if simple burn of CD doesn't work reliable in DP because it seems to me as fundamental function of audio recording software, isn't it?

I agree. Since MOTU doesn't seem to be dealing with issue (that we know of) the best thing to do is write MOTU directly and let them know the problems you're having with this feature. If more people spoke up (to MOTU directly) maybe something would get done. It seems that a lot of users gave up on it immediately and have other CD burn solutions so they don't pay it much attention at this point.

[mikehalloran]

Sheesh!

Michael, I knew you weren't using it. I was quoting you so that I would't have to re-type what you wrote. It was obvious to me that I was addressing the OP.

Back to the OP:

Regarding Toast, you can drop your 2-track mixes right in. There may be times when you need to use the fade functionality - I rarely do.

There is a little weirdness that involves some trust. You can set up and preview the fades, get them just right but when you play the tracks in the play list, the fades don't work properly. The CD that you burn will fade properly, however, just as it worked in the preview window. It's annoying and I wish that Roxio would fix that but, till then...

In fact, now that I think of it, I only use fades in Toast when the artist has recorded a medley and I want to make track markers for the individual songs. I will cut and paste the track in DP to make two sections (DP will play them seamlessly), drop them into Toast and use a custom fade in the preview window to get it right - works perfectly.

[Pakub]

OK, I finished the project in Toast (version 9). I'm satisfied with the crossfades function there.
I needed it just, because I like to leave the reverb tail of one track and let the other step in it. It just seems to me more flawless...

Thanks to everybody one more time for advices. But still, it's a pity that I can't do that in program, where all the recordings were made..