DP8 Video Handling (or lack of it)

[PMortise]

I'm not seeing any of that. I wonder where the discrepancy is? Someone suggested video cards might be at issue here. I have a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT.

+1 with not seeing any of that and I have a Radeon HD 5770, but I am getting the "OS error: Ran out of memory (-108)" message at startup if a movie is saved to the project. The annoying thing is DP will crash if I try to clear the movie while connected to VE Pro.

[dix]

Could be. Mine is the stock card that came with my Pro (NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT).Again, the only change here was DP 8 from 7.24. The question is: is DP 8 handling video differently than before? I can't buy a new machine now (maybe next year when the new Pros are out). I'm glad to hear it's working for you!

I have the same card and also the same issue with video you described earlier mikeka - choppy movie playback in 8 (only). In fact importing movies into DP8 makes ALL the graphics in my entire system slow and choppy. They return to normal when I clear the movie. Whereas others are seeing graphics slow-downs overall I (and now you) have only been seeing them when a movie is part of the DP sequence.

Since MOTU must be aware of all the graphics issues by now (send in those TechLinks friends. I did), my plan is to wait for 8.1 and see if things improve. If not I'll pick up a new video card and see if that fixes the issue.

[taka]

Hi PMortise, they're similar issues to the ones I'm having (though I don't use VE Pro), have you find a solution for the '-108' problem?
Thanks, Taka**

[REPUGnant]

Same problem here - every time I open a movie I get a -108 memory error. Tried dumping prefs, tried a fresh install. No luck yet

[Gravity Jim]

Just to add to the discussion: I am running DP8 under ML 10.8.2 on an 8-core MacPro 3,1 (early 2008) that had the original ATI Radeon HD 2600XT (256mb of VRAM) video card in it, and recently started driving more pixels (two 23" widescreens at 1920x1080 resolution). I haven't had any of the major video problems described above, but I did notice some choppiness when running a movie on the second screen.

Two days ago, I replaced the old video card with an ATI Radeon HD 4870 card with 512mb of VRAM. Today I was scoring a TV spot and opened the QT movie full screen on the second display and it ran perfectly smoothly and in synch.

The new card has only twice the VRAM - not a "gamer's" card by any stretch - but there are many, many differences that increase its speed and improve its video handling, not the least of which is what version of OpenGL it is capable of handling. The old card was stalled out at OpenGL 2.0. The new one can use the current OpenGL 3.2.

[ironchef_marc]

+1 here (along with mikeka and dix) for choppy video playback in DP8 (same movie in DP7 plays back fine)
My video card is NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, hopefully they can fix this.

[dix]

Also, I notice that if I play a movie full screen using Quicktime 10 (not in DP) I get the choppy system behavior. It's not nearly as bad as when I have a movie in DP, but the same basic issue. Everything remains smooth when playing a movie full screen with Quicktime 7. Obviously DP is now using the QT10 engine while DP7 was using QT7's.

I'ma still wait for 8.1, but all indications are that my video card is going to have to go. I'm not sure qt10 yet existed when they made my Mac or that card so its not surprising that there are issues.

[ironchef_marc]

Also, I notice that if I play a movie full screen using Quicktime 10 (not in DP) I get the choppy system behavior. It's not nearly as bad as when I have a movie in DP, but the same basic issue. Everything remains smooth when playing a movie full screen with Quicktime 7. Obviously DP is now using the QT10 engine while DP7 was using QT7's.

Interesting because my movie plays back fine in QT10.

[twistedtom]

Yes...the video engine in DP8 has been completely rewritten and from what I was told...harnesses the GPU and NOT the CPU for video processing/output/rendering. So my first thought is that folks having trouble have older video cards in their systems whose GPUs are not up to a minimum spec the DP8 video engine was written for. Which of course, if true, is a major problem.

This is most likely your issues, I have 2 video cards and both are for doing heavy graphics and video, one is the same card as MLC has. I love the way DP8 does video, DP8 frees up the CPU to do audio, VI's and plug-ins. I can run a higher resolution video without effecting DP8's performance and due to having a graphics card it run just fine. Before I had to make a lower resolution copy of the video and run it inside of DP7, now I just use the video I have already, much faster and better; for me. I think it was MLC who suggested people with video issues post their video card for this reason.

Have any of you tried making a lower resolution copy of your video to see if that helps?

[dix]

Have any of you tried making a lower resolution copy of your video to see if that helps?

Yeah. I tried all different resolutions and codecs. The differences between them was minimal. That's why it took me so long to come to the conclusion that a newer card would probably fix this issue. It seemed more like a bad pref issue or similar, but I now think its a compatibility issue between MOTU's "QTKitServer-470(Digital Performer)" process, that shows up in the Activity Monitor when you launch DP8 (not with 7), and my card that exacerbates the problem.

I usually output video to FW when scoring so if MOTU fixes .dv implementation in an update, that too might get me going in 8.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

It's not an all the time thing in my machine. It stuttered a little Friday but not at all this weekend. Maybe gremlins don't work weekends?

[mikeka]

Jerky video not fixed in 8.01(on my machine at least).

[dix]

Jerky video not fixed in 8.01(on my machine at least).

Nor mine. And DP now sees .DVs, but does not play them. Baby steps.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Baby steps in video maybe, but not in bouncing. Or maybe they're bouncing baby steps? LOL!

[PJ]

My rMBP is clearly s n a p p i e r than before. It wasn't bad with 8.0 either.
Even my older laptop (i7 mid-10) is usable now with 8.01/picture (still not as smooth as with 7.24).