New Mac Pros from Apple...

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:37 am

I have a light scribe drive connected via FW and it works fine. Don't you want a burner on a faster buss?

Todzilla · Post by **Todzilla** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:37 am

Apple is making it pretty clear they're moving away from high-end powerhouse Enterprise computing into sexy consumer products that are less upgradeable, and more geared toward coffeehouse web surfing on a gorgeous machine.

A smart strategy, although it puts creative professionals who need massive horsepower in a quandry.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:38 am

Or it puts them on a PC.

davedempsey · Post by **davedempsey** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:56 am

My Ist gen Quad is still a great machine but won't boot 64 bit. I won't be able to hold out until the next Mac Pro release so I'll most likely buy the latest 6 core box when DP 8 is ready.

MIDI: Or it puts them on a PC.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:28 am

That's exactly why I bought my 8 core when I did. Oppornockity only tunes once.

Todzilla · Post by **Todzilla** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:27 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Or it puts them on a PC.

Yeah, well...

Not to sound like an Apple homer (I actually have a love/hate view of the Cuppertinoids), but I don't think I could get excited doing music on a PC.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:35 am

davedempsey wrote:My Ist gen Quad is still a great machine but won't boot 64 bit. I won't be able to hold out until the next Mac Pro release so I'll most likely buy the latest 6 core box when DP 8 is ready.

You will not need to boot into 64 bit to run DP 8 in 64 bit mode.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:29 am

Huh? I thought that the Mac required it boot in 64 to run 64 apps. Is that true for all 64 bit apps? If so, why bother? Is multi-threading enable for 64 bit apps if booted in 32 bit mode?

Me confus-ed.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:30 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Huh? I thought that the Mac required it boot in 64 to run 64 apps. Is that true for all 64 bit apps? If so, why bother? Is multi-threading enable for 64 bit apps if booted in 32 bit mode?

Me confus-ed.

This should help eliminate the confusion:

http://www.macworld.com/article/1142379 ... 4_bit.html

The gist of it is that for the time being, unless you want DP to address more than 32 GB, you should be able to get by with running DP 8 in 64 bit mode even if you boot in to the 32-bit kernel (in my case, booting into 64-bit kernel is not an option).

mikehalloran · Post by **mikehalloran** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:47 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I have a light scribe drive connected via FW and it works fine. Don't you want a burner on a faster buss?

Of course you do.

There are times when a burner over FW doesn't work as well as usb - or at all (intel Macs only). You might never run into those situations. I do. I don't own three external CD/DVD burners with three housing configurations because I wanted to start a collection.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:18 pm

What kind of problems? I'm in an intel as well. What should I be looking for that I might be missing?

davedempsey · Post by **davedempsey** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:16 am

James Steele wrote:
davedempsey wrote:My Ist gen Quad is still a great machine but won't boot 64 bit. I won't be able to hold out until the next Mac Pro release so I'll most likely buy the latest 6 core box when DP 8 is ready.
You will not need to boot into 64 bit to run DP 8 in 64 bit mode.

Yes I know one can run the 64 bit apps in 32 mode but, correct me if I'm wrong please, wouldn't a full 64 bit boot machine be infinitely superior, lower latency, better everything etc. I'll certainly be looking at my 1st gen quad with DP8 and Waves 9 etc before I buy and if it does allow me to squeeze enough extra goodness I'll be more than happy to wait for the mystical 2013 special

- problem is the current box is a big compromise towards the end of a project.

FutureLegends · Post by **FutureLegends** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:10 am

davedempsey wrote: Yes I know one can run the 64 bit apps in 32 mode but, correct me if I'm wrong please, wouldn't a full 64 bit boot machine be infinitely superior, lower latency, better everything etc.

I believe that has more to do with faster memory, faster bussing and faster everything rather than the kernel being 32 or 64 bit. I don't doubt it would be more efficient if the kernel was 64bit as well but don't think it's that much of a difference, all things considered.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:28 am

Or perhaps it means you can still run the apps in 32 but you'll still be limited to 4GB of RAM?

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:26 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Or perhaps it means you can still run the apps in 32 but you'll still be limited to 4GB of RAM?

Yes. Regardless of whether you booted your Mac into 64 or 32 bit kernel, you could run DP8 either in 32-bit mode (limited to addressing 4GB RAM) or 64-bit mode which can address up to either 32GB (if the Mac is booted into the 32-bit kernel) or far beyond that (if the Mac is booted into the 64-bit kernel). The reason you might choose to run DP in 32 bit mode would be to use plug-ins that weren't updated for for 64-bit (if MOTU doesn't build in some sort of "bridging method" for using older 32-bit only plug-ins when DP is running in 64-bit mode).

MOTUnation.com