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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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jloeb wrote:7.2 Rocks.
Yet there's still, unbelievably, room for improvement!
No doubt... there's always room for improvement. It's funny though... this quote captures the essence of the nature of online user forums. :lol:
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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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James Steele wrote:
jloeb wrote:7.2 Rocks.
Yet there's still, unbelievably, room for improvement!
No doubt... there's always room for improvement. It's funny though... this quote captures the essence of the nature of online user forums. :lol:
I think the best thing to come out of all these DP7 upgrades is that we can safely say: "No doubt, MOTU will continue to improve it."

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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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mess wrote:
jloeb wrote:7.2 Rocks.
Yet there's still, unbelievably, room for improvement!

I'd really like manual time stretching of soundbites to optionally be able to snap to grid (and if possible snap to beats in a chosen target track) like the movement and editing of soundbites does.
Not in front of my system right now, but you can snap to grid when timestretching. Hold down command after you initiate the drag to stretch or compress and it should snap. I can't recall if you have to have the grid on or off, and it's been a few weeks since I fired up DP.

:mrgreen:

Well, that's it then. I have no further needs. DP7 is perfect, better than, AND better looking than, any other DAW. Game over.

Your next mission, should you choose to accept it: some people still seem to want an Absolute (as opposed to relative) snap-to-grid mode for notes (I personally thought that's what Input Quantize and Quantize were for, and I really like relative snapping b/c it maintains feel/groove, but...) Is there already a way to do that??
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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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How about a COPY MIDI TO CLIPBOARD feature that would allow instant transfers between other apps (Finale, Sibelius, other DAWs, etc.) via copy/paste?
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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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RecordingArts wrote: 3) To have the option to write and store session notes when saving the file.
I use the "LYRICS" window as a notepad. It´s a very helpfull solution and saved in the project. Now let´s use this hilarious but perfect smiley for this one..
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Thanks, Trish!

I never thought of that.

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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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It's pie in the sky, but I'd like to see a vertical scale on soundbites in the SE...Or maybe on the tracks themselves with gridlines.

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RecordingArts wrote:I have a couple feature requests.

1) When DP gives the message saying that there's a feedback loop, I would love to have DP show me what's causing the Feedback loop. Occasionally I believe the feedback loop was caused by bad bundles.

2) To have LAME MP3 export settings a stick

3) To have the option to write and store session notes when saving the file.

1) I agree about the feedback loop. It would be nice for DP to somehow either tell us where it is or take us to it.

2) Not sure what you mean about LAME settings. Do you mean, have them default to the last settings used? Don't they already do that? Or is that just "per project," after the first bounce? I sure don't have to set them very often.

3) Do you know that anything you can see in the Finder can be stored in a Clippings window? That means project notes, screenshots of your settings, motion screen captures of methods you've discovered, or (I presume) a folder containing all the above. Just drag it from the Finder. You can launch these items from the Clippings Window and they'll open in their native apps.

As for using Markers for comments, I've done that often. Nothing wrong with that! While they actually have a Comments field, I have made short notes in the name itself, so that I will see and read it in the sequence. The comments fields do not show up in the sequence.

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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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Forgot to mention: store a Pages document or a JPEG in a "Startup Clipping" window, and it will launch automatically when you open your DP document. That will make sure you see those notes!

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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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Shooshie wrote:Forgot to mention: store a Pages document or a JPEG in a "Startup Clipping" window, and it will launch automatically when you open your DP document. That will make sure you see those notes!
Yup! And it has the advantage of being something you can read while your DP project is still loading, because the Startup items are launched and opened immediately.
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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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Here's my suggestions (I havn't gone through this thread, so my apologies if some of these have already been covered).......... I'm sure some of these will come as no surprise to those of you who have read any of my posts...

1) First and foremost... a toggle to switch the grid between relative and absolute modes
2) Ability to open the same plugin across multiple tracks at once
3) Ability to create the same send assignment across multiple tracks at once
4) A "split notes" command that works on selections that are NOT quantized
5) Individual colors for regions
6) If #5 above were added, then also give us the ability to select all regions of the same color
7) The ability to have preroll without a predefined punch out point
8) Something similar to the "Transform Automation" tool from Presonus' Studio One DAW (Youtube it, it's pretty awsome!)
9) The ability to have DP bounce all selected tracks and/or busses to individual files to a folder (again, a very nice Studio One feature)
10) Maybe I've missed this one, and it already exists, but the ability to invert a selection
11) Ability to select tracks in the mixer window
12) Ability to have "right click" assignable to it's own tool (there could be a switch in the preferences if you'de rather have the contextual menus)
13) Again, maybe I've missed it, but a simple "duplicate" command that will duplicate whatever is selected... slightly like the "repeat" option, but more streamlined.
14) The ability to have the "shift selection" command reference the sync point instead of the left edge of the region/soundbite
15) Ability to send a region to the playhead... again, either based in the regions sync point or it's left edge.
16) Ability to change a notes velocity by simply dragging up/down on the note itself by holding down a modifier key in either the sequence, or MIDI editor
17) Take a hint from the "MIDI smart tool" in PT. This is probably the one MIDI thing PT seriously got right.
18) A MUCH more streamlined method of beat detection. Just rip Beat Detective from PT....
19) Elastic Audio as PT calls it.. or Flex Time as Logic calls it... or Warp Markers as Ableton Live calls it.
20) Ability to add custom continuous controllers to the "insert event list" in the MIDI editor
21) A simple '+' button in the preference for "continuous data" to add more than 7 controllers.
22) I belive they might have had this in older versions, but a "quick filter" button in the sequence editor.
23) A simple "Tab to transient" feature in the sequence editor (seems easy enough as they already have the algorithm for detecting transients)


I fully understand no DAW is perfect, but IMO DP is the closest to perfect there is..., which is the only reason I have any hope they might actually add some of these features to future releases.
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I'd like to see DP be the first to have a really deep, full-featured remote control application for the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch.

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benmrx wrote:Here's my suggestions (I havn't gone through this thread, so my apologies if some of these have already been covered).......... I'm sure some of these will come as no surprise to those of you who have read any of my posts...

1) First and foremost... a toggle to switch the grid between relative and absolute modes
2) Ability to open the same plugin across multiple tracks at once
3) Ability to create the same send assignment across multiple tracks at once
4) A "split notes" command that works on selections that are NOT quantized
5) Individual colors for regions
6) If #5 above were added, then also give us the ability to select all regions of the same color
7) The ability to have preroll without a predefined punch out point
8) Something similar to the "Transform Automation" tool from Presonus' Studio One DAW (Youtube it, it's pretty awsome!)
9) The ability to have DP bounce all selected tracks and/or busses to individual files to a folder (again, a very nice Studio One feature)
10) Maybe I've missed this one, and it already exists, but the ability to invert a selection
11) Ability to select tracks in the mixer window
12) Ability to have "right click" assignable to it's own tool (there could be a switch in the preferences if you'de rather have the contextual menus)
13) Again, maybe I've missed it, but a simple "duplicate" command that will duplicate whatever is selected... slightly like the "repeat" option, but more streamlined.
14) The ability to have the "shift selection" command reference the sync point instead of the left edge of the region/soundbite
15) Ability to send a region to the playhead... again, either based in the regions sync point or it's left edge.
16) Ability to change a notes velocity by simply dragging up/down on the note itself by holding down a modifier key in either the sequence, or MIDI editor
17) Take a hint from the "MIDI smart tool" in PT. This is probably the one MIDI thing PT seriously got right.
18) A MUCH more streamlined method of beat detection. Just rip Beat Detective from PT....
19) Elastic Audio as PT calls it.. or Flex Time as Logic calls it... or Warp Markers as Ableton Live calls it.
20) Ability to add custom continuous controllers to the "insert event list" in the MIDI editor
21) A simple '+' button in the preference for "continuous data" to add more than 7 controllers.
22) I belive they might have had this in older versions, but a "quick filter" button in the sequence editor.
23) A simple "Tab to transient" feature in the sequence editor (seems easy enough as they already have the algorithm for detecting transients)


I fully understand no DAW is perfect, but IMO DP is the closest to perfect there is..., which is the only reason I have any hope they might actually add some of these features to future releases.
My head hurts! :D

I'll have to slow down and read all of those. All I hope for when I see lists like this is that DP stays DP and does not become Logic or another app. When it has every feature known to man will I recognize it any more? Just wondering aloud.
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James Steele wrote:My head hurts! :D

I'll have to slow down and read all of those. All I hope for when I see lists like this is that DP stays DP and does not become Logic or another app. When it has every feature known to man will I recognize it any more? Just wondering aloud.
Trust me... my heat hurts too.., only because I can't seem to get past the fact that every DAW I have gets me frustrated. I'll 100% admit, it's my own issues here. I just can't seem to sit down and write some music without scratching my head wondering which app I should use. DP is by far the closest, but then there are some basic things I can't do in DP... like split chords that aren't quantized..., that's a biggie for the way I work.

This weekend I started a new proejct with a rock band... all on 2" tape. No computers. MAN!! that was a NICE change of pace. Nothing to really think about except to make sure I don't arm the wrong track because tape has no undo!

Oh yeah.. trust me.. I do NOT want to see DP end up working like Logic!!!, even though it has some nice features I'de love to in DP, I would rather see none of those features if it meant DP took on Logics "object oriented" approach.
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Re: Suggestions for next DP update

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benmrx wrote:...but then there are some basic things I can't do in DP... like split chords that aren't quantized..., that's a biggie for the way I work.
So you mean when you want to split the "bottom two" notes of a chord for example, DP will not recognize notes as a chord unless all the notes in that chord start at exactly the same time? I don't follow. Seems like there ought to be some "slop" allowance there since few people actually plays a chord with ever single not striking EXACTLY at the same time.
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