Pettinhouse Acoustic Guitar - awesome

[kgdrum]

my bad,of course RG is AU,what I was trying to say is MIDI send function does not seem to be available in RG AU.
Please correct me if I am mistaken but I can't find this feature.

Correct, it doesn't work as an AU.

PAG is AU


we were talking about MIDI send implementation in Real Guitar is not in the AU version,as of yet.

[bdr]

my bad,of course RG is AU,what I was trying to say is MIDI send function does not seem to be available in RG AU.
Please correct me if I am mistaken but I can't find this feature.

Correct, it doesn't work as an AU.

PAG is AU


we were talking about MIDI send implementation in Real Guitar is not in the AU version,as of yet.

So was I, probably could have said so a little clearer.
RG will open as a VST in Bidule, so I'll have a look and see whether I can somehow route the MIDI out from RG back into DP.

[eriknorlander]

I just finished downloading and installing the new Pettinhouse
"Acoustic Guitar" library.

Awesome.

Thanks for the recommendation, Dave. I will dive in. I have Direct Guitar and Humbucker Guitar from Andrea, and they are both so musical and so useful. I did a huge production at the end of last year / beginning of this year where I had to mock up every instrument with the plan that most things would be replayed by real players. Direct Guitar through Amplitube 2 worked like an absolute STAR for the pre-production and even stayed in the final mixes for a few tracks (shhh ...). I think the demos for Acoustic Guitar sound great, and I'm glad to hear that you're pleased with using it. Andrea's communication and support is first rate, too, if that's ever needed.

Cheers,
Erik

[Kubi]

Another "jaw-dropping awesome" from me. Hot damn. I don't need electric guitars sampled (I got the real thing here...) but acoustics are a bitch to mic and I don't own a nice one. Plus while I'm a decent electric player, acoustic is a whole different animal...

I love to add a sprinkle of acoustic on top of electrics, just as a subtle flavor. This will come in very handy...

[zed]

Just for the record, I don't think you guys were unclear in your posts. I followed the thread from start to finish and NOT ONCE found myself worried that PAG wasn't AU.

But since the apparent confusion keeps reminding me of the source statement, I continue to be reminded that I'm not 100% on the details of what the new implementation will mean...

Sergey from musiclab says that 'MIDI out' will be implemented in an upcoming update to the AU version of RG. It's currently VST only.
So once that's available we DP users will have more interesting options.

Are you saying that RealGuitar, with additional implementation, will actually generate MIDI chords based on what the strum engine is doing? Currently the strum engine plays recorded strum samples, if I am not mistaken. So this new implimentation would generate and output the actual notes contained in those strum recordings as MIDI?

That WOULD be useful indeed. Doubling RealGuitar with Pettinhouse Acoustic Guitar would probably produce some great results.

[Armageddon]

I've been ranting and raving on here for a while about DirectGuitar 2.1, hands-down the best sampled electric guitar instrument I've ever used. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about electrics to know what the benefit of playing from the bridge position as opposed to the mid or neck is, and the strummed patch appears to be a whole different animal, plus, all the really useful articulations are on the bridge instrument, so I've stuck with that (the Humbucker Guitar that Pettinhouse also sells is strictly the bridge position). Aside from having a few patches that seem to muddy the waters a bit, and having an extreme lack of extra sounds that I'd want to use with the main patches (extended slides, some fret effects; I appreciate his inclusion of a "plugging in" sample and a "tuning" sample, but I can't imagine I'd ever use those, and the slides he does provide are more rockabilly or "clean" effects than general purpose articulations), it's nothing short of amazing. Fortunately, I can probably use extra DI sounds from MOR, like fret slides, to fill in the holes, and given how he seems to add more articulations every time out, I'm sure it won't be long before they're added in, anyway.

I've heard the acoustic guitar demo, too, and it sounds like he's done it again. My only caveat is that you'd have to jimmy the EQ or add some processing to one side if you were tracking double acoustics, but that's a small thing, really -- it would be wonderful just to have a sampled acoustic you didn't have to bury in the mix to keep it from sounding keyboard-y. Now, if he'd just release a regular electric 4-string DI bass, like a sampled Fender P or a Gibson ...

[Schweats]

I listened to the demos of all the guitars available by Pettinhouse and I'm very impressed !
My question is since the libraries are in Kontakt format , would it be possible to open the all samples in
MachFive V2 ? and create your own patches, etc. … Or, would it be simply be too large of an endeavor ?

I have M5v2 but not Kontakt and I don't really need another VI to learn and spend enough time to get intuitive with.

Any thoughts ?

Schweats

[Armageddon]

I listened to the demos of all the guitars available by Pettinhouse and I'm very impressed !
My question is since the libraries are in Kontakt format , would it be possible to open the all samples in
MachFive V2 ? and create your own patches, etc. … Or, would it be simply be too large of an endeavor ?

I have M5v2 but not Kontakt and I don't really need another VI to learn and spend enough time to get intuitive with.

Any thoughts ?

If the other Pettinhouse sample sets are like DirectGuitar 2.1, and I have to assume that they are, the installation and implementation even with Kontakt is a little wonky. Instead of individual instruments with Kontakt "skins", they're multi-instrument setups that you have to load and resave once you've installed them (i.e. - dragging them from DVD or disc image to your Kontakt library) so that the sample path is established. It's a somewhat crude way to do it, but these libraries are being made by one guy, and doing it this way makes a bit of sense if you want to jack up or eliminate pick sounds, release sounds, etc., but it took me a while to figure out the setup inside Kontakt 3.5. Anyway, if MachFive 2 can read Kontakt format, and specifically, Kontakt multi-instrument files, you should definitely be able to to load these sample sets.

[charlesparente]

Are you saying that RealGuitar, with additional implementation, will actually generate MIDI chords based on what the strum engine is doing? Currently the strum engine plays recorded strum samples, if I am not mistaken. So this new implementation would generate and output the actual notes contained in those strum recordings as MIDI?

Yes.

Just connect RG to another suitable VI [or Kontakt instance with a guitar patch loaded] and use RG as normal, but it plays back the samples of your connected instrument. Think of it as substituting the original RG samples with something else.

That's my understanding of how RG MIDI out would work [currently implemented for VST version of RG only, AU update hopefully soon.]

best,
Charles

[mhschmieder]

Forgot to post my mini-review, but I have nothing new to add other than to repeat the original exclamation of "Awesome!"

I am hoping to re-track some of my RealGuitar based audio very soon. I wasn't using RealGuitar for its interpretive capabilities for those compositions anyway (that is, its various modes for revoicing chords).

One of the reasons I bought RealGuitar originally, was that its 12-string guitar, while "faked" from 6-string samples like so many others, produced more believable results than any other 12-string source I had tried.

So maybe Pettinhouse will do a 12-string Taylor next? Hint, hint!

[Armageddon]

Well, I just stumbled over Strike Two for MOR: I'm snagging NI's Scarbee Pre-Bass, which essentially does for a Fender Precision Bass what DirectGuitar 2.1 does for electrics. I was using MOR's Fender P-Bass instrument, and while it's not bad, the RR sustain mode is all over the map (hard hits and soft hits despite consistent velocity, which not even lots of compression can fully get rid of) and the staccato and legato keyswitches, which theoretically should cover your long and short strikes, are too localized (legato plays too soft, while staccato is both consistently too hard and too abrupt), only two slide articulations ... and you only get the two amp options, no DI version. Scarbee Pre-Bass is DI-only (and you can pick up an "Amped" version that's an extra 10 GB and provides you with four different non-brand-specific amp sounds that cover different music styles) and may actually offer more articulations and features than most people who just wanna lay down a decent bass track would need. It also features a graphic bass fretboard that shows you your finger position, which finger you're using and which articulation you're using in real time while you play:

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/ ... -pre-bass/

I'm going with the Pre-Bass, since I love the sound and since I'm already using the same instrument via MOR, but they also have a DI-only Jazz Bass version and a third one called "MM-Bass" which comes in either DI-only or Amped, like the Pre-Bass. Anyway, coupling this with DirectGuitar 2.1, I should theoretically be set until I snag the Pettinhouse Acoustic.

Admittedly, I'm still on the fence as to whether I want the Pettinhouse set or the Indiginus Acoustic Guitar Collection (http://indiginus.com/index.html), which is only $40 and apparently takes up very little real estate on your hard drive. The problem I have with Indiginus is that the instruments were sampled at low quality and, while they have a few great articulations (and the ability to be double-tracks all inside Kontakt via built-in EQ) and some neat strumming effects, plus a "strum sequencer", it just doesn't strike me as being "jaw-droppingly real" like Pettinhouse's set does. The man knows what he's doing with stringed instrument samples.

(Addendum: I figured out a great way to make more disk space for my sample-set acquisitions, too: trash the MOR instruments I'm replacing. I figure, I have them on the installer disc if I need them and MOR works fine without them. So far, I've trashed all my drum kits, thanks to EZ Drummer, and once I get the new bass working, I'm trashing all my basses. Once I snag Acoustic Guitar, I'll probably throw away the Gibson J-160, and I'm sorely tempted to trash all the electrics -- aside from the Telecaster -- that I'm not copping DI effects from)

[zed]

(Addendum: I figured out a great way to make more disk space for my sample-set acquisitions, too: trash the MOR instruments I'm replacing. I figure, I have them on the installer disc if I need them and MOR works fine without them. So far, I've trashed all my drum kits, thanks to EZ Drummer, and once I get the new bass working, I'm trashing all my basses. Once I snag Acoustic Guitar, I'll probably throw away the Gibson J-160, and I'm sorely tempted to trash all the electrics -- aside from the Telecaster -- that I'm not copping DI effects from)

I guess you have to do what your personal preferences tell you to do, but I wouldn't be so quick to start trashing things. Obviously, if you are determined to never use the instruments again, then there is no point in having them take up space, but on the off-chance that they might come in handy for something, why not just get a bigger dedicated sample drive?

There is no reason why it has to be one library over another all the time. Sometimes the neatest sounding things can come from mixing and matching things. No matter which of the acoustic guitar libraries you use, perhaps there will come a time where your song demands a doubling of a guitar strum, and the Gibson J-160 might be the perfect sound to do that with.

And for all the limitations of articulations with the MOR bass and other instruments, they still sound good. If you had the "Dynamic Spectrum Mapper" plugin, you could easily match the tonal qualites of the Fender Precision bass in Scarbee Pre-Bass with the one in MOR. Sure it is a little more work, but it is an opportunity to have numerous additional articulations to work with.

It would be nice if we could have perfect plugins that were the only ones we needed for all the jobs at hand, but since each instrument has its strengths and weaknesses, the best solution, imo, is to find the tools which will make them all work together (and DSM, mentioned above is one of them).

Admittedly, I'm still on the fence as to whether I want the Pettinhouse set or the Indiginus Acoustic Guitar Collection (http://indiginus.com/index.html), which is only $40 and apparently takes up very little real estate on your hard drive.

Thank you for mentioning this. I'm not sure I need to spend the $40 (although I might) since I already have RealGuitar, and other acoustic guitar VIs (and because I am focussing on recording "Real" guitar tracks with my newly re-strung instrument).

But I did go to the Indiginus site and they have several other instruments a $5 each. Imagine that. There is even a pair of nice sounding Electric Pianos for $5 (i.e. $2.50 each). I decided to try one of the $5 purchases and ordered the Nashville Electric Guitar, and am really thrilled with the product. It is limited and doesn't have articulations, but it sounds pretty damn good and was actually perfect for the song I am working on today. ALSO... it was the easiest PayPal experience ever. From the moment I added the Instrument to my cart, until the moment I was playing the instrument in Kontakt 3 was about 5 minutes or less. Real simple... and no authorization process required.

Thanks for turning me on!

[Armageddon]

I guess you have to do what your personal preferences tell you to do, but I wouldn't be so quick to start trashing things. Obviously, if you are determined to never use the instruments again, then there is no point in having them take up space, but on the off-chance that they might come in handy for something, why not just get a bigger dedicated sample drive?

There is no reason why it has to be one library over another all the time. Sometimes the neatest sounding things can come from mixing and matching things. No matter which of the acoustic guitar libraries you use, perhaps there will come a time where your song demands a doubling of a guitar strum, and the Gibson J-160 might be the perfect sound to do that with.

And for all the limitations of articulations with the MOR bass and other instruments, they still sound good. If you had the "Dynamic Spectrum Mapper" plugin, you could easily match the tonal qualites of the Fender Precision bass in Scarbee Pre-Bass with the one in MOR. Sure it is a little more work, but it is an opportunity to have numerous additional articulations to work with.

It would be nice if we could have perfect plugins that were the only ones we needed for all the jobs at hand, but since each instrument has its strengths and weaknesses, the best solution, imo, is to find the tools which will make them all work together (and DSM, mentioned above is one of them).

Right now, it's an issue of limited hard drive space on my MacBook, where a dedicated drive wouldn't be practical, and cloning my existing drive to a larger, faster drive and swapping them out sounds like a touchy issue, so I have to pick my battles. Also, I like a mainly consistent sound in my work, so having one reliable bass (I only was using the Fender P-Bass in MOR, never had an interest in any of the others) I can apply to a many different genres of music is important to me. In a contest between Scarbee Pre-Bass and MOR's bass, Scarbee wins hands-down. A much more articulate instrument (you can even alternate which fingers are picking the strings!) and the DI sound means I can alter the tone just by using IK's Ampeg, Amplitude 2 or Amplitude Fender's bass amps.

I agree with you about having as many choices as possible, though. Once I snag my Nehalem iMac, I've still got my MOR DVDs and I can load all my sounds back on at that point ... or even if I decide I want to reinstall 'em onto my MacBook. Right now, I've even gone through my SampleTank samples and thrown out what I don't use, or completely thrown out things like GarageBand and its associated Apple Loops. Of course, once I have my iMac, I'll be removing all my VIs from here and leaving just my audio plugs, in case I need to use the MacBook as a field recorder, and use the iMac as my main audio computer.

Thank you for mentioning this. I'm not sure I need to spend the $40 (although I might) since I already have RealGuitar, and other acoustic guitar VIs (and because I am focussing on recording "Real" guitar tracks with my newly re-strung instrument).

But I did go to the Indiginus site and they have several other instruments a $5 each. Imagine that. There is even a pair of nice sounding Electric Pianos for $5 (i.e. $2.50 each). I decided to try one of the $5 purchases and ordered the Nashville Electric Guitar, and am really thrilled with the product. It is limited and doesn't have articulations, but it sounds pretty damn good and was actually perfect for the song I am working on today. ALSO... it was the easiest PayPal experience ever. From the moment I added the Instrument to my cart, until the moment I was playing the instrument in Kontakt 3 was about 5 minutes or less. Real simple... and no authorization process required.

Thanks for turning me on!

No problem! Actually, upon doing a little more shopping around, I decided upon Sounds And Effects (formerly QUP Arts) Pure Acoustic sample set. For the same price as Pettinhouse's AcousticGuitar, you get 8 GBs of a sampled Taylor 410 and a Martin Herringbone HD-28, same sample quality and pretty much the same caliber of articulations. I went this way because I didn't want or need 19 GBs of acoustics with Acoustic Legends HD, and while I am a huge Pettinhouse fan, AcousticGuitar is one stereo-sampled acoustic and I usually prefer recording acoustics in mono and either just having one panned mono source (sometimes, mono through a stereo chorus) or doubling it with a different mono acoustic, and Pure Acoustic's setup is perfect for that:

http://soundsandeffects.com/index.php?a ... roductId=3

[Armageddon]

Just snagged the aforementioned Scarbee Pre-Bass for Kontakt 3.5. Amazing stuff! Unfortunately, it has more keyswitches, options and articulations than most human beings are gonna want to learn, but I think the only way to get a more realistic bass sound would be to buy an actual Precision Bass and learn how to play it. I kind of miss the "you won't need a manual" feel of DirectGuitar, and I'll be entrenched in the Scarbee manual probably more than I ever was with the DP manual, but it sounds incredibly real, and having it DI'd (it also comes with a couple of FX, but I doubt anyone will need to use them, especially if you own any bass amp software) means I can make it sound like anything. Still unsure whether I should have stuck with buying this one or snagging the "Jay-Bass" instead, but I think the Pre-Bass covers more styles. Now, if I could only resolve my acoustic guitar issues ...

[Tobor]

Now, if I could only resolve my acoustic guitar issues ...

Errr.... Pettinhouse Acoustic Guitar?

Just kidding, as I know you mentioned the stereo sampled issue. I would love to hear from someone who has used the Pettinhouse Acoustic- I really like the sound on the video demos and the articulations are what really make it desirable for me.

I checked out the Sound and Effects set, but liked some samples and didn't care for others.

I have a Sonic Capsule set from Sonic Reality/iK that I think sounds terrific, with Larribee, Taylor, and Martin samples and can be used in Sampletank, EXS24, and Kontact. Love the sounds but would be even nicer with strum articulations etc., which adds to the realism of Pettinhouse.

Lots of bass action lately, the Scarbee looks great. Any Trilian users out there, or even Reason Bass? The Reason collection looks interesting and has been out a while but haven't heard any feedback. I really like the Reason Pianos for a smaller footprint than Ivory.

Tobor