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liberfab
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Surround bundles

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Hello everybody !
I am new on this list, and am very grateful for this opportunity.

My main problem: I use DP6 (driving Digidesign DAE), with a couple of Digidesign 192 interfaces, but I have not yet found the way to make active Surround bundles.
The DP Bundles system let me enable only mono or stereo bundles.

Please note that using the same Digidesign hardware, my ProTools software works flawlessly in Surround, no problem to make active Surround I/O bundles.
Same problem with my previous DP 5.

So, I would like to receive some help, I admit I really need it: any input will be very appreciated. :)
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Re: Surround bundles

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Go to the bundles window and when creating bundles there is a box neat to the " add bundles box" it is "add mulitple" open that and select 5.1.
You will need to moce the chanels to match your interfaces as it likes to put them in 4-8.
Adding 5.1 bundles to busses and out puts works the same.
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Re: Surround bundles

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twistedtom wrote:Go to the bundles window and when creating bundles there is a box neat to the " add bundles box" it is "add mulitple" open that and select 5.1.
You will need to moce the chanels to match your interfaces as it likes to put them in 4-8.
Adding 5.1 bundles to busses and out puts works the same.
Hi, thanks a lot for your kind reply. :)

I did it, but, again, no boxes enabled... :?
In the same conditions ProTools software works OK.

Please, feel free to add any other idea or suggestion, thanks again.

Fabio
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Re: Surround bundles

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Hi there

Try this: go to the Bundles window

Click on Add, and a Stereo Bundle will be added. Under the Model heading where it says Stereo is actually a drop down menu, which gives all the surround options.

If you choose 5.1, it will give you six outputs, and you can drag these to match your outputs

Hope this helps

Cheers

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Re: Surround bundles

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stephentayler wrote:Hi there

Try this: go to the Bundles window

Click on Add, and a Stereo Bundle will be added. Under the Model heading where it says Stereo is actually a drop down menu, which gives all the surround options.

If you choose 5.1, it will give you six outputs, and you can drag these to match your outputs

Hope this helps

Cheers

Stephen
Thanks a lot, Stephen, I did it, but when I switch on 5.1 from stereo, the stereo disappear and all boxes became gray again... :cry:
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Re: Surround bundles

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Ah I missed that, it must be that DP is not seeing the hardware properly..... I am not familiar with the setup with DIGI interfaces.... do you need to check under Audio/MIDI setup??

Also not familiar with any quirks with running DP under DAE

Cheers

Stephen
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Re: Surround bundles

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stephentayler wrote:Ah I missed that, it must be that DP is not seeing the hardware properly..... I am not familiar with the setup with DIGI interfaces.... do you need to check under Audio/MIDI setup??

Also not familiar with any quirks with running DP under DAE

Cheers

Stephen
Hi again, Stephen, I checked but the AUDIO SETUP does not help...

I hope sooner or later somebody will drive me on the right point... :(

Best wishes,
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Re: Surround bundles

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The ways we said works so there for it is in the protools set up some how. Your on 6? Will Qmix do any thing for digi?
Try the Apple Audio set up. It looks like DP is not seeing the fact that you have a number of inputs on your inter face. Try adding a number of tracks say 8 and move them into the spots, then try adding a 5.1 bundle. Sorry I do not have Digi ether.
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Re: Surround bundles

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Hello !
Are you capable to create multiples output stereo bundles for exemple
1 connected to output 1 & 2
2 connected to output 3 & 4

and so on ?


Aramis

liberfab wrote:
stephentayler wrote:Ah I missed that, it must be that DP is not seeing the hardware properly..... I am not familiar with the setup with DIGI interfaces.... do you need to check under Audio/MIDI setup??

Also not familiar with any quirks with running DP under DAE

Cheers

Stephen
Hi again, Stephen, I checked but the AUDIO SETUP does not help...

I hope sooner or later somebody will drive me on the right point... :(

Best wishes,
FABIO
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Re: Surround bundles

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twistedtom wrote:The ways we said works so there for it is in the protools set up some how. Your on 6? Will Qmix do any thing for digi?
Try the Apple Audio set up. It looks like DP is not seeing the fact that you have a number of inputs on your inter face. Try adding a number of tracks say 8 and move them into the spots, then try adding a 5.1 bundle. Sorry I do not have Digi ether.
Great, thanks,I will try it on tomorrow morning,in my studio, now I am back home... :oops:

See you tomorrow, and thanks again ! :)
Fabio
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Re: Surround bundles

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Aramis wrote:Hello !
Are you capable to create multiples output stereo bundles for exemple
1 connected to output 1 & 2
2 connected to output 3 & 4
and so on ?
Aramis
Hello Aramis,
thanks for your kind reply, , yes, I can move a pair stereo output on any bundle location...

I will be at work on this on tomorrow, see you later ! :)
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Re: Surround bundles

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Wow !
So DP sees multiple outputs , 6 and more ?
And DP does not let you choose 5.1 ?

Aramis
liberfab wrote:
Aramis wrote:Hello !
Are you capable to create multiples output stereo bundles for exemple
1 connected to output 1 & 2
2 connected to output 3 & 4
and so on ?
Aramis
Hello Aramis,
thanks for your kind reply, , yes, I can move a pair stereo output on any bundle location...

I will be at work on this on tomorrow, see you later ! :)
FABIO
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Re: Surround bundles

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Try and see if DP allows you to create a 5.1 Buss

Cheers

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Re: Surround bundles

Post by modular »

You're not going to find happiness if you want to set up surround bundles in DP when running under DAE. At the moment, DP doesn't support DAE/Surround. I have to create 6 mono tracks (L,R,C, Ls, Rs, and LFE), group them and send the mixes through my board. The downside is there are then no surround plugins available and you can't mix/pan signals internally. I'm really hoping that the next update addresses this. 90% of everything I do is now delivered in surround and not being able to do it properly in DP is a real drag. Due to major problems in DP6 under DAE, I also have to stay at DP 5.13. Good luck
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Re: Surround bundles

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modular wrote:You're not going to find happiness if you want to set up surround bundles in DP when running under DAE. At the moment, DP doesn't support DAE/Surround. I have to create 6 mono tracks (L,R,C, Ls, Rs, and LFE), group them and send the mixes through my board. The downside is there are then no surround plugins available and you can't mix/pan signals internally. I'm really hoping that the next update addresses this. 90% of everything I do is now delivered in surround and not being able to do it properly in DP is a real drag. Due to major problems in DP6 under DAE, I also have to stay at DP 5.13. Good luck
WOW, this is a knockout ! :x
So, if you are right, and my experience confirm that, DP has a major handicap indeed...
I am astonished. :shock:

I will wait for an official answer by MOTU and then will let you all know.
It is a real pity, say a shame, that surround/DAE operation is not yet supported.

Thanks everybody, this is a great group, I will be very pleased to stay tuned here. :)
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