The red lines...the RED LINES....make it STOOOOP

[amplidood]

As far as I know, it's a bug. I shouldn't be getting red lines if I recorded audio at a certain tempo and don't change the tempo, right?

I remembered this thread last nite when I was reading the DP 6 manual (yes, I know, I should get a life!).
Its all explained on page 468, I just thought you might have missed that reference, so I thought I would come back here and make a note of it.

page 468 talks about the View Filter. There's nothing there about the red lines caused by automatic tempo generation.

[kassonica]

As far as I know, it's a bug. I shouldn't be getting red lines if I recorded audio at a certain tempo and don't change the tempo, right?

I remembered this thread last nite when I was reading the DP 6 manual (yes, I know, I should get a life!).
Its all explained on page 468, I just thought you might have missed that reference, so I thought I would come back here and make a note of it.

page 468 talks about the View Filter. There's nothing there about the red lines caused by automatic tempo generation.

Err DITTO

???

[amplidood]

I did read where it talked about the red lines and what they are for. It doesn't say, however, why they keep coming back even after you disable automatic tempo generation AND delete tempos from soundbites (AND get rid of their analysis files, too).

[BKK-OZ]

I am soooooo sorry guys to have sent you on a wild goose chase - I did that post when I wasn't in front of my DP manual, and I thought I had a good enuf memory.

The page reference is 648, the section is headed Viewing Soundbite Tempo Maps.

Pls forgive.

[bayswater]

I did read where it talked about the red lines and what they are for. It doesn't say, however, why they keep coming back even after you disable automatic tempo generation AND delete tempos from soundbites (AND get rid of their analysis files, too).

I read that too, and all I got from it is that the red lines tell you the tempo in the SB doesn't match the tempo of the sequence. But not much more. Do the red lines show the position of a tempo event that is mismatched? If so, there seem to be many more red lines than there are tempo event in my SBs or conductor track.

[James Steele]

I'm pretty sure there's a bug right now where those red lines show up, even if you've never changed the tempo of your sequence. You can even "copy sequence tempo to soundbite" and the red lines won't go away. You'll also find that they can appear or disappear depending on horizontal zoom level. If you zoom in, some of the lines disappear. This looks like a display bug that MOTU has to fix.

[martian]

thin red lines? more like a rash i reckon...

- i have those auto's off and tempo's keep popping up -

afaik - if a soundbite EVER had a tempo assigned to it - and you clear that tempo - then simply edge editing will bring that tempo back to it's "offspring"

also any one any idea where those tempo's are stored? i would like to nuke them

it's not the analysis folder... is it inside the DP project or on the actual disk inside the audiofile?

[mirkwood]

Any update on this? It's driving me crazy. I seem to be having the same problem as martian -- if I turn off all the background processing for tempo analysis I still get temo markers showing up sometimes!

[cloudsplitter]

I don't know if you have tried this but here goes. In DP>preferences>edit windows-under edit window guides un-check show beat grid lines..then go to (still under preferences) Background Processing and check "never look for beats automatically" make sure that neither box in the "automatic beat and tempo analysis" sub heading is checked because if they are it over-rides the "never look for beats automatically" check box. If that fails, use the color picker to sample the grid line color then make all your waveform backdrops that color...(just kidding) Hope that helps.

[mirkwood]

I seem to have solved the problem for my setup, at least for now. I unchecked all those boxes but I was still seeing tempo marks on some soundbites even after creating a brand new project. Like others have pointed out, it seems that DP maybe writes a tempo into the files on disk, so if you used a soundbite in one project that had tempo analysis on, and then you turn all that temp stuff off, create a new project, import the previously used soundbite, you still might see that it has tempo marks and if you clear the tempo and then split the file or trim edit it the tempo marks come back.

My solution was to create a new project and take all the files I was using in that project and open them up in Peak Pro, export copies of the files (hopefully clearing out the tempo from the file), and then put those files into the new project. So far so good. Sucks for a large project but now that I have DP setup to never do this again I should be set as long as those preferences never change.

It does appear that WAV files can store a tempo metadata field, so that makes sense.

[grouse]

[ DP5, as much as I like it, still has some very obvious shortcomings due to it's patching from OS9 to OSX (like how audio drops out for several seconds if you move a memory locator during playback).

so you're saying that doesn't happen anymore? in 6? that has always seemed rather primitive to me.
i was going to ask if that has been improved. great! (i'm still on 5.13/ and even dabbling in 5.11 these days)

[daniel.sneed]

In DP>preferences>edit windows-under edit window guides un-check show beat grid lines..then go to (still under preferences) Background Processing and check "never look for beats automatically" make sure that neither box in the "automatic beat and tempo analysis" sub heading is checked because if they are it over-rides the "never look for beats automatically" check box.

Nope ! This is my current preferences setup and the, argh..., *red lines* are still there in new projects.

[mirkwood]

In DP>preferences>edit windows-under edit window guides un-check show beat grid lines..then go to (still under preferences) Background Processing and check "never look for beats automatically" make sure that neither box in the "automatic beat and tempo analysis" sub heading is checked because if they are it over-rides the "never look for beats automatically" check box.

Nope ! This is my current preferences setup and the, argh..., *red lines* are still there in new projects.

Are you using soundbites in the new projects that were already used in other projects before you turned those settings off? Is so the soundbite files on disk might actually have tempos written into them by DP and so DP is using them.

If that's your case, then try making a new project with completely new soundbites that have never been in DP before.

[daniel.sneed]

Of course it's within a new project, with brand new soundbites.
Could be cause, for years now, I always use an old *empty* project. Sort of template if you like.
That is to say, no soundbite, but many empty tracks and FW and VI V-racks.

Thanks for the tip though : I'll try building a new project from scratch.

[cloudsplitter]

All I know is I don't have any red lines....that includes files from DP-5..?? then again, I have never needed to search for beats in any project I have done...So I wouldn't know if that info is stored with older projects, I imagine it is as it would be a critical part of a project.