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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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zed wrote: Next year will be the 40th anniversary of the Rooftop concert. Do you think we'll see a DVD of the Rooftop concert with bonus footage and a "Making of" documentary? Probably not.

Don't know how to explain it, really. It's kind of baffling. :shock:
At least as far as the rooftop concert goes, there are two elements at play. The concert itself was rather short, as CD durations go for it to stand alone. I suppose if they *are* re-re-mastering these discs that they may as well move forward with the entire Let It Be album tracks, but we know what happened with the official anniversaries since Pepper onwards--- virtually zilch.

But, Ringo was quoted as saying something about the entire Let It Be movie not being released. Evidently, he and Paul had considered it but were quite depressed over the process of sorting through so many hours of unhappy footage of the the band's demise that they couldn't bear to see it through to completion. The "Let It Be-Naked" project was the only other offering in that regard, sans DVD, and perhaps the only one we'll see, unfortunately.

Still, it's remarkable to consider the depth of interest for The Beatles after all these years still thriving in so many ways and I am among the many who hope that there will be better digital remastering of these classic collections yet to come.

It's encouraging, however, to see a group like Lifehouse create some interesting music and clearly tap into the sounds of the Casinos, the Rickenbacker 4000 series basses, Vox amps, etc. I saw a recent concert video of theirs in HD surround and was quite impressed with their sound they got. The blend of the more Beatley instruments they used on certain tunes was wonderful to hear, and it was quite clear that such a combo of instruments was not merely a coincidence. Hearing two Casinos and a Rickenbacker bass used again was immediately reminiscent of textures first heard on Revolver. Their music is not particularly Beatley (for as nice as it is) but hearing those instruments being put to good use again was as strikingly Beatley as it was subtle.

And so we have Studiophonik with an unusual array of Beatley guitars. One simply doesn't see Rickenbackers, Hofners, and Gretsches in sample libraries in quantity very often.

This is a serious consideration for me. The group buy is already down to $20 above its rock bottom price anyway, so this is going to be a hard one to pass up. When looking at my non-orchestral collections my VIs are rather small in number. I have FabFour and EZ Drummer, but that's about it outside of a few REX multi-channel drum loops. What better time to get into something this than now when I'm in my classic rock revival?

Thanks again for the reminder, Zed.
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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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A couple of Studiophonik song demos are available for listening to on the Group Buy page at eSoundz:
http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?Prod ... code=gbrss

The first one "BeatPhonik" is quite Beatlesque in flavour. I presume that "Beat" is short for Beatles. There is also something Steely Dan sounding.
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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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Hey Frodo - is this the same for you? :

In DP 6.01, I turned OFF "Pre-gen VI's when possible" in the General/Audio/Plug-ins Preferences, and WOW !! Fab Four, from EastWest, which uses their PLAY engine, just got a Whole Lot Friendlier.

I guess on my MacBookPro, the CPU gives more high end performance than does the 5400 RPM 320 GB drive... so with the Fab Four VI, which relies on disk streaming, less streaming is more screaming (performance) - the CPU can be pushed harder than the HD streaming 2 different processes (DP's rendering and FabFour's streaming of the samples.)

Does that sound logical to you?
Also, is your situation different, as far as
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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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tommymandel wrote:Hey Frodo - is this the same for you? :

In DP 6.01, I turned OFF "Pre-gen VI's when possible" in the General/Audio/Plug-ins Preferences, and WOW !! Fab Four, from EastWest, which uses their PLAY engine, just got a Whole Lot Friendlier.

I guess on my MacBookPro, the CPU gives more high end performance than does the 5400 RPM 320 GB drive... so with the Fab Four VI, which relies on disk streaming, less streaming is more screaming (performance) - the CPU can be pushed harder than the HD streaming 2 different processes (DP's rendering and FabFour's streaming of the samples.)

Does that sound logical to you?
Also, is your situation different, as far as
PPC vs. Intel,
DP version, and
Tiger or Leopard?
Hey Tommy:

I've not tried FabFour on my laptop at all, so this is a new setting that sounds like it's indispensable. Great job with that, and thanks for the heads up.

I have it in Tiger and Leopard. No noticeable differences one way or the other there. Don't have it on PPC, but from what I hear Intel is screaming by comparison. I got the entire sample library running without doing much except for raising the streaming buffers in PLAY, and that was that. Remarkable to have all of those drums, guitars, and basses loaded at the same time. One day I'm going to do a track using all that stuff at once for the fun of it.

What you did sounds logical. Actually, it sounds much more DP-al! :P

It's a fun plugin without a doubt. Sometimes I feel as if it's playing me rather than the other way around. But I'll go with it.
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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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Frodo wrote: Sometimes I feel as if it's playing me rather than the other way around. But I'll go with it.
lol - that's a hilariously true way of putting it, Frodo. Thanks. PS. happy belated 'birthday'. :)
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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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tommymandel wrote:
Frodo wrote: Sometimes I feel as if it's playing me rather than the other way around. But I'll go with it.
lol - that's a hilariously true way of putting it, Frodo. Thanks. PS. happy belated 'birthday'. :)
Thanks, Tommy--

Funny thing happened after the party last night-- my uncle just disappeared into thin air for some strange reason. He didn't even blow out the candles on his cake! :lol:
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Just a bump to tell everyone that the Studiophonik group buy has passed 200 which means a lot of freebies come into play. Here is a quote from esoundz
$199 gets you:

Studiophonik Prelude - 2 gigs of Drums, Guitar and Basses (plus more gigs if more people join - try to get to 250 or 300 and have even more material)

Your choice of IK plug-in from the list such as SampleTank 2.5 L, Miroslav Classik, AmpliTube Metal etc.

FREE UPGRADE to the FULL Studiophonik Plug-in when it comes out (ETA unknown but it is a lot sooner than it has been so... either way it is free to you when it comes but only if you join in on this group buy!!!!).

I am going to try to extend this another week for you guys but I am not sure if we can with everything so this could be it. Just another 5 hours or so until September 30th (EST). Good luck!


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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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Ay-yi-yi...

So much software I needed this month had deals that expired this week. I must get in on this deal--

Note to self: get in on this deal. :wink:
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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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Thanks bdr. I was meaning to bump this thread myself.
Frodo wrote:Note to self: get in on this deal. :wink:
I'm already in on it, baby!! I was impressed with the ability to mix between the dry tone and the affected tone. With the Freesoundz instruments you can try this yourself by clicking on the MACRO button for the instrument in SampleTank and then adjusting the mix knob. It works for the guitars and room ambience of the drums:
http://www.esoundz.com/freesoundz.php

And former Beatle's engineer Ken Scott has just recorded a drum sample library (including some Ringoesque drum loops) which will soon be released by Sonic Reality. Anyone interested can learn more about this by checking these links:
http://www.RecordProduction.com/recordi ... r-tips.htm
http://www.RecordProduction.com/ken-sco ... rding.html (some videos)
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zed wrote: I'm already in on it, baby!! I was impressed with the ability to mix between the dry tone and the affected tone. With the Freesoundz instruments you can try this yourself by clicking on the MACRO button for the instrument in SampleTank and then adjusting the mix knob. It works for the guitars and room ambience of the drums:
http://www.esoundz.com/freesoundz.php

I don't know how you find the time to do all the things you do, Mr. Z. Amazing.
zed wrote: And former Beatle's engineer Ken Scott has just recorded a drum sample library (including some Ringoesque drum loops) which will soon be released by Sonic Reality. Anyone interested can learn more about this by checking these links:
http://www.RecordProduction.com/recordi ... r-tips.htm
http://www.RecordProduction.com/ken-sco ... rding.html (some videos)
Great stuff, that. I'd better keep working if I'm going to keep up with this interminable VI fetish of mine.
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Does anyone find that the mellotron sounds in M-Tron sound better than the mellotron sounds in SampleTron?
I tested mostly the flutes, but I'm interested in all unicornian opinions, Thanks!
(ps) my favorite is the Strawberry Flutes in EastWest's Fab Four, but I'm looking to pick up either SampleTron or M-tron Pro,
to get the rest of the ridiculousness. :mrgreen:
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Re: A Beatles Virtual Instrument

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tommymandel wrote:Does anyone find that the mellotron sounds in M-Tron sound better than the mellotron sounds in SampleTron?
I have never tried M-Tron, but SampleTron is made up of many of the exact sounds that are in Squid's Tron Collection, Volume 1. Dave Kerzner (Squids) and his company Sonic Reality provided most (or perhaps all) of the content for SampleTron, and it is really fabulous stuff.
tommymandel wrote:(ps) my favorite is the Strawberry Flutes in EastWest's Fab Four, but I'm looking to pick up either SampleTron or M-tron Pro,
to get the rest of the ridiculousness. :mrgreen:
Just out of curiosity, I loaded both the EW Strawberry Flutes and the Squid's Tron Mellotron flute to compare them. On first listen they were virtually identical. Upon more careful listening, the Squid's version is much more interesting. Most notes have a much more textured sustain and worble than the EW version. So I would definitely recommend it.

I would suspect that SampleTron has the exact same Mellotron Flutes as in Squid's Tron Volume 1, and I can assure you that there are numerous other flutes which are just as delicious, including Chamberlin flutes, Orchtron flutes, and Optron flutes. They are all a bit different, but all similarly pleasing. http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=220

My suggestion to you, if you can wait, is to hold off until an upcoming eSoundz Group Buy. Squid's has been talking about a Mellotron Group Buy, and including a Tron Volume 2. He may even do something with IK to get you SampleTron plus all the extra Tron sounds not included in SampleTron for a ridiculously low price. I know that he had said previously that most of the content in Volume 1 was included in SampleTron, but that there was a bunch of additional Tron stuff which did NOT get included in SampleTron. So if you hold off, you could get it ALL of it for a really good price sometime soon. I wouldn't be surprised if that Group Buy showed up before the end of the year.
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TG-Abbey Road Mastering Pack goes AU/VST

http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/

$335 directly from them...

AudioMidi.com has it for $300...

And ambience
The dove you shake
The sequel threw the glove
Earthquake.


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Frodo wrote:TG-Abbey Road Mastering Pack goes AU/VST

http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/

$335 directly from them...
And it's about time!!

However, I still think it is way overpriced. If they would bundle these together with their Brilliance Pack and the TG 12413 Limiter for under $500, then maybe I'd bite. I realize that it is Abbey Road and everything, but geez... don't they realize that they will probably have a bigger profit margin if they have more reasonable prices?!? But then again... what wouldn't I pay to have a record sounding like it was recorded at Abbey Road Studios!! 8)
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zed wrote:
Frodo wrote:TG-Abbey Road Mastering Pack goes AU/VST

http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/

$335 directly from them...
And it's about time!!

However, I still think it is way overpriced. If they would bundle these together with their Brilliance Pack and the TG 12413 Limiter for under $500, then maybe I'd bite. I realize that it is Abbey Road and everything, but geez... don't they realize that they will probably have a bigger profit margin if they have more reasonable prices?!?
It is "up there", but someone is bound to have a sale on these sooner than later. A complete bundle would be very nice, indeed.
zed wrote:But then again... what wouldn't I pay to have a record sounding like it was recorded at Abbey Road Studios!! 8)
Ermm.... $335? :wink:

These are great sounding plugins and, imho, eventual must-haves. But I'm going to pace myself...

Off to eSoundz first!!
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