Stuck MIDI notes DP6.01!

[hrw]

I'm startinmg to get a lot of stuck MIDI notes inDP6.01. Anyone else?
any remedies?

[tyronehowe]

I'm startinmg to get a lot of stuck MIDI notes inDP6.01. Anyone else?
any remedies?

Hi hrw

Yes I've had this a few times as well. Only solution was Studio/Stop Sounding MIDI notes.
What is really weird is that I've had notes suddenly start playing when I'm not even using DP.

What I mean is, I'll have a DP session open, need a break so I'll surf/check email for say 15 mins. Sometimes during that 15 mins, DP will play and hold a couple of notes! Annoying and odd. That's with a VI, not an external instrument.

[hrw]

thanks. will use that.

[bmonroney]

Just confirming, same behavior here. Lots of stuck notes with VIs - Kontakt 3, B4 II, Stylus, Massive, etc. It's been YEARS since I've had a significant problem with stuck MIDI notes in DP. Also getting frequent hangs while recording or editing MIDI, usually when I quickly shuttle back to the top to do another pass or I'm doing lots of edits - I get a beachball and that's all she wrote. The DP6 experience has really sucked so far. For all the improvements, the lack of stability is really testing my patience.

Brian

[tyronehowe]

Just confirming, same behavior here. Lots of stuck notes with VIs - Kontakt 3, B4 II, Stylus, Massive, etc. It's been YEARS since I've had a significant problem with stuck MIDI notes in DP. Also getting frequent hangs while recording or editing MIDI, usually when I quickly shuttle back to the top to do another pass or I'm doing lots of edits - I get a beachball and that's all she wrote. The DP6 experience has really sucked so far. For all the improvements, the lack of stability is really testing my patience.

Brian

Unfortunately I must agree. My initial view of DP6 was very good, but the more I use it, I find more things with problems. Worse than that actually, just more things not thought through very well.

For me the two biggest problems are stability and VI compatibility. Since all my work is VU stuff, that second point is as important as the stability. Not being able to use VIs that worked perfectly well in 5.13 is inexcusable (I think).

[Tuxtla]

I'm startinmg to get a lot of stuck MIDI notes inDP6.01. Anyone else?
any remedies?

Same here. I started using a Novation ReMOTE 37 SL with AutoMap Server just after I got the DP6 Upgrade. I thought it might be the controller or controller/AutoMap combo so spent several hours going through the Novation manual checking MIDI throughput and through DP 6's prefs. Still getting stuck notes. First in MOTU's MX4 and more recently in Kontakt 3. I connected my previous Edirol controller that had worked without a problem in DP 5 and it made no difference. So the search continues.

[kwiz]

I had to uninstall DP5.13 and DP6.01. The stuck notes and the beach balling drove me crazy after awhile.
Both were installed on the same drive, and once I gave up on v6.01 for serious work, I went back to 5.13.
Problem was, 5.13 started to have the same strange problems as 6.01. Once I wiped both programs and re-installed 5.13, everything was back to normal.
Right now I have 6.01 on my laptop just to play around with various GUI options with the hope that 6.xx will be as stable as 5.13.
I've been using DP since v2.6 and I've got to say that this kind of thing happens every once in awhile. It happened when we went from DP3xx to OSX DP4.
Version 4 was almost complete unusable and kept many of us in OS9 longer than we thought. Motu will get it right, I just hope it doesn't another 2 versions for us to have stability.

[williemyers]

kwiz,

did your (a.) wiping 6, 6.01 & 5.13 and (b.) total reinstall of 5.13 solve the hanging notes problem? last week, when I had all three on my system drive, I created a new seq. and had tons of hanging notes from the seq. when opened in any of the three apps. I'm going to try your solution (wipe all three, reinstall 5.13) if that'll help me?

thanks,

b myers, composer

[Shooshie]

Stuck notes happen in various versions of DP combined with various versions of drivers. Sometimes using the latest driver will get rid of it, and other times it is the CAUSE of it. It takes a while for MOTU to figure out the problem, but they always do. I expect this kind of thing to happen when there is a major change: a new OS, a new hardware platform (like the shift from PPC to Intel) or a change in programming methods. DP 6 represents a huge change, and I expect there to be some pretty deep problems. It'll pass, but it takes patience. If you can't use DP6.01, go back to 5.13, which was very stable. You might go back to the MIDI driver 1.3.7, which is the one I'm using. (it may BE the latest; I don't know)

It happens to all platforms. Logic may be stable now, I don't know; haven't used it in a couple of months. But it wasn't too long ago that people were pulling their hair out because it crashed every five minutes. When there are big changes in any software, it goes through a "growing up" period. 6.01 is still a baby. It'll get housebroken and better behaved.

Shooshie

[bOing]

I'm having stuck MIDI notes here too. I also had a "delayed" stuck note. When I set my buffer back from 2048k to 256k it seemed to affect this issue - my dream is to one day record an entire song without being a digital mechanic.

[tyronehowe]

Stuck notes happen in various versions of DP combined with various versions of drivers. Sometimes using the latest driver will get rid of it, and other times it is the CAUSE of it. It takes a while for MOTU to figure out the problem, but they always do. I expect this kind of thing to happen when there is a major change: a new OS, a new hardware platform (like the shift from PPC to Intel) or a change in programming methods. DP 6 represents a huge change, and I expect there to be some pretty deep problems. It'll pass, but it takes patience. If you can't use DP6.01, go back to 5.13, which was very stable. You might go back to the MIDI driver 1.3.7, which is the one I'm using. (it may BE the latest; I don't know)

It happens to all platforms. Logic may be stable now, I don't know; haven't used it in a couple of months. But it wasn't too long ago that people were pulling their hair out because it crashed every five minutes. When there are big changes in any software, it goes through a "growing up" period. 6.01 is still a baby. It'll get housebroken and better behaved.

Shooshie

Hi Shooshie

I know what you are saying, and in general I agree with you. But I do think that some of the problems with DP 6/6.01 cannot be reasonably compared to the release of Logic 8.

The biggest moans I remember were that the GUI had changed and there was no way to customise it (sound familiar?!), but that was remedied in the very next update, Logic 8.01. I might be wrong (it’s been nearly a year) but I remember the initial release of Logic to pretty stable, certainly older projects worked it in it well. I don’t remember seeing lots of posts saying “I’m going back to logic 7.2.3.”

The other biggest moans I remember after the dust had settled was the lack of many true new features, and the continued lack of decent audio editing (although they did get sample accuracy in the arrange page which helped considerably and again the comping feature was a big help). After PT7.4 was released there were renewed outcries of the lack of elastic audio in Logic – mind you DP doesn’t have that, neither does Sonar (that I’m aware of, but someone correct me if I’m wrong). Cubase has had it (nearly working!) since SX3.

But some of the DP 6 things are rather more serious – plug-ins not working in DP6 that worked perfectly ok in DP5, to me, is a very serious issue. The fact that MOTU will eventually make it work doesn’t really cut much ice. This is version 6 after all; they’ve already had lots of experience of releasing new software.

Anyway, this is not meant as an attack on DP6 in any way, I just don’t think the release of Logic 8 can be compared to what is happening with DP6.

[James Steele]

The stuck notes thing is a real ghost in the machine if I ever saw one. For all the messages posted about this problem, I don't think I've experienced anything like it. I vaguely recall a minor problem years ago that might have affected VIs and was cured with a MIDI update. It just really illustrates how varied the user experience is.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

In the FWIW department, certain controllers may also be to blame and this can be because of their relationship to a driver - as Shooshie mentions. For example, in Finale (I don't get stuck notes in DP anymore) if I use my M-Audio es88 as a controller, I get stuck notes as well as notes not playing and notes triggering out of nowhere. It is a USB controller and when I tested my PC2 (via MIDI and a MIDI Express 128) there were no such issues. When I use the es88 in DP, there are no note errors. So while I'd like to say it is Finale that is the problem, it is more likely that it is a driver not playing well with Finale.

Then I bought an Edirol PCR-800 as an alternative USB controller and it is rock solid. Not note errors in Finale or DP. Period.

But when I hear someone say that notes are triggering by themselves, I wonder if you are using a USB controller? Even if you;re not, perhaps your MIDI controller is not behaving with your USB MIDI interface. James is right, it is a ghost in the machine, but I believe it is very likely a Mac USB issue. Notes triggering by themselves could be some USB system message being interpreted as a note. Also, since you are essentially sending USB data using a USB controller or a USB MIDI interface, the data can be corrupted by the OS or the driver.

Just my own theory, but it does seem to be related to USB.

[bOing]

My quick and easy controller is an Edirol PC300 - the first USB controller, ever. So maybe there's something to that "USB is at fault" kind of thinking. I just don't like lugging out 30 lbs of Korg and using MIDI cables if I don't have to. But maybe I do.

I had stuck notes today while just messing with the MOTU VIs. I was looping about 12bars, over, and over, and over, while jamming and that's when I had the note hang a few times. Maybe the engine doesn't know where one starts and one begins? I don't know.

No seriously, I don't know.

[bOing]

Further to my post, yesterday I was working on the same song and looping again, but this time without a USB or any other type of controller connected. What happened? A MIDI note got stuck (one track) that was record activated - but not recording.

I usually only have to record activate a track to stop the ringing note, or deactivate if it's in record mode. Sometimes "command-1" is useless to me. Just thought I'd mention this MLC to add to the mystery that is DP5-6, and beyond.