DP at cutting edge

[monkey man]

You truly are an idiot.

Uncalled for, IMHO

Yes, those comments are totally inappropriate unless nicky and I are hurling them at each other Right bud???

You've got that right, poo breath.

[bezzy]

Yes, David is a master of the craft of sound design, no doubt. Modest too, as he's resisted the temptation of referring to his own work. Well done Dave! FWIW David, I wasn't implicating you on anything you'd said earlier in my last post, but rather, I was responding to the preceding offering of:

You truly are an idiot.

Uncalled for, IMHO, so I pointed to the fact that at least the OP displayed the attributes I spoke of.

Ya well when some one makes up crap that makes no sense you have to say something, I thought idiot was actually a complement at this point.

[kassonica]

Well, it was a little bit personal, but frankly I don't care that much.

Bottom line is, it's really still opinion. Not facts. Soundmaster, you may go on believing that only certain synths qualify as acceptable. That's your call and it's your money, you have to spend your money as you see fit.

As near as I can determine, "Phat" seems to mean detuned sawtooth oscillators with the filters wide open, somewhere between the typical "Hoover" sound and the "Jump" Oberheim sound, with plenty of low end.
Throw in some flanging with a slow rate and high depth, and some delay.
This is what I'm hearing off the Sylenth demos. Almost everything sounds like that in those demos. Or, in the case of bass, well...just plenty of low end, with enough between 40 and 60 hz to cause speaker cone travel to the point of clipping.

Maybe I should just apply the above to all the sounds in all my mixes - yes, everything should be phat! I see the error of my ways now. Man, if this is all I need to do to get my records to the top of the chart - wow, I'll be rolling in cash in just a few months! No more economic downturn worries for me. Armed with my phat sounds and mixes, I could end up as successful as this guy:

http://www.rapbasement.com/news/scott-s ... wsuit.html

Great post and it has deepened my understanding of PHAT and synth sounds.

At least something good has come out of this thread.

Much thanks Dave.

Mark

[soundmaster]

well i won't be having speaker busting problems between 40hz and 50hz as i own a pair of Mackie HR8'24's mkII's and have no such problem. yep! it's just room busting, wall shuddering , tight, deep, articulate bass all the way for me.
Don't give me your low down on what phat is Dave, cause you don't seem to know what it is. Let me try and describe it from the point of view of someone who failed every subject at school.
Take a tinkling triangle and the gong of a church bell. Which would sound phatter Dave? there you go end of story.
And for your information i hear plenty of phat sounds coming from sylenth1 that have absolutely no flange (or whatever the hell cliche technique you refer to) on them at all, neither any other effects, and they sound "PHAT" sir. But hey, you don't compete with big proud people in techno and hardhouse clubs, so you really don't have to worry about it. Just be another "me too" softsynth guy and do your thing like all the other second rate unasssuming producers out there who are getting no-where in a hurry.

[bezzy]

well i won't be having speaker busting problems between 40hz and 50hz as i own a pair of Mackie HR8'24's mkII's and have no such problem. yep! it's just room busting, wall shuddering , tight, deep, articulate bass all the way for me.
Don't give me your low down on what phat is Dave, cause you don't seem to know what it is. Let me try and describe it from the point of view of someone who failed every subject at school.
Take a tinkling triangle and the gong of a church bell. Which would sound phatter Dave? there you go end of story.
And for your information i hear plenty of phat sounds coming from sylenth1 that have absolutely no flange (or whatever the hell cliche technique you refer to) on them at all, neither any other effects, and they sound "PHAT" sir. But hey, you don't compete with big proud people in techno and hardhouse clubs, so you really don't have to worry about it. Just be another "me too" softsynth guy and do your thing like all the other second rate unasssuming producers out there who are getting no-where in a hurry.

OMG this just getting sad. Are you on crack?

[FMiguelez]

Just be another "me too" softsynth guy and do your thing like all the other second rate unasssuming producers out there who are getting no-where in a hurry.

Wait. I'm confused now. Aren't you the dude that said he relies on presets because you don't/can't program synths? Wouldn't that make YOU what you just described?
And, didn't you write that you don't even have a computer where to write/produce music yet????

BTW, how about a cowbell? Is that thin or "phat"?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

[kassonica]

well i won't be having speaker busting problems between 40hz and 50hz as i own a pair of Mackie HR8'24's mkII's and have no such problem. yep! it's just room busting, wall shuddering , tight, deep, articulate bass all the way for me.
Don't give me your low down on what phat is Dave, cause you don't seem to know what it is. Let me try and describe it from the point of view of someone who failed every subject at school.
Take a tinkling triangle and the gong of a church bell. Which would sound phatter Dave? there you go end of story.
And for your information i hear plenty of phat sounds coming from sylenth1 that have absolutely no flange (or whatever the hell cliche technique you refer to) on them at all, neither any other effects, and they sound "PHAT" sir. But hey, you don't compete with big proud people in techno and hardhouse clubs, so you really don't have to worry about it. Just be another "me too" softsynth guy and do your thing like all the other second rate unasssuming producers out there who are getting no-where in a hurry.

Do you know what context means?

Err to reproduce frequencies at 40hz and 50hz with any accuracy you would need either a SUB or 18" speakers and a really well designed listening environment.

As for getting nowhere in hurry your attitude suggests to me that's exactly where your going.

[kassonica]

PS

Aren't you the guy who thought the Everb sounded great off the you tube player???? Not a good indication really that you even know what fat/phat is really.

Meh you get that sometimes.

So it goes

[FMiguelez]

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Hi guys, i'mk looking for a computer DAW and have never used one before(except a bit of garageband).

From your post:
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... highlight=

Yes. That was definitely you. So, why are you discussing all this with such authority, when you have never used a computer before?
When you use presets? I thought you had SOME experience...

Oh, sorry. You have used Garage Band

[MIDI Life Crisis]

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Hi guys, i'mk looking for a computer DAW and have never used one before(except a bit of garageband).

Yes. That was definitely you. So, why are you discussing all this with such authority, when you have never used a computer before?

Oh, sorry. You have used Garage Band

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!

What a memory you have FMig

[kassonica]

.

Hi guys, i'mk looking for a computer DAW and have never used one before(except a bit of garageband).

From your post:
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... highlight=

Yes. That was definitely you. So, why are you discussing all this with such authority, when you have never used a computer before?
When you use presets? I thought you had SOME experience...

Oh, sorry. You have used Garage Band

Classic

Enough rope eh

[FMiguelez]

.

Hi guys, i'mk looking for a computer DAW and have never used one before(except a bit of garageband).

Yes. That was definitely you. So, why are you discussing all this with such authority, when you have never used a computer before?

Oh, sorry. You have used Garage Band

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!

What a memory you have FMig

Actually, yes, I have good memory. But also, as we say here, a little birdie showed me how to get the info
Can't reveal my sources, but I trust the source completely

[beautypill]

Reading this thread, one thing has struck me. Soundmaster's attitude sounds really young to me. I suspect he's very young. This lead me to think: Everyone should consider that sometimes very young people post on the internet. It's an open forum and even when there are age requirements for a website (which there almost never are), it is easy to just lie.

My band has a myspace page and sometimes we get flirty emails by "20 year old" fans who turn out to be actually 14 or 15 or 16. They usually give it away without realizing it.

It is entirely possible that Soundmaster is a teenager, y'know? With that possibility in mind, give the guy a break. Everybody has different levels of experience at different points in their lives. I say this sincerely sympathetically.

I have had a few online discussions/arguments where I realized halfway through: Oh my God, this guy is just a kid! And then I feel guilty for thinking he was an ignorant bastard when really he was just a young guy who hadn't had much experience or he had simply absorbed some misinformation without the benefit of context or empirical judgement.

One of the conditions of youth is spouting off like you know more than you do and thinking you sound like an adult. We've all seen teenagers do this. It's a natural part of the maturation processs. All 20-year-olds think they know everything. Totally normal. Ironically, it's only when they get older that they go through a "I really don't know anything" phase. (That's called Grad School... ha ha ha ha. But I digress...)

Anyway, this has been a longwinded way of saying that when somebody seems to make a fool of themselves online, consider that you may have more wisdom simply because you're older than they are. In those situations, a little kindness is in order.

- c

[soundmaster]

someone here suggested i would need a subwoofer to reproduce sounds down at 40hz, um i thought i made it clear! I am using Mackie monitors which are "FLAT" all the way down to 35hz, so a sub is not needed.
i don't mind being a know it all, as long as i "Know it all" about what i like and dislike.
You can argue all day that the sky isn't blue, but facts are facts and some things are very clear.
I don't mean to offend guys who use soft synths, but i am not a fan of them because they wreak of the "software" sound that is so prevalent in a lot of tracks today and i don't deem them adequate to use for my sort of music.
IMO there are only a few software synths out there that cut it, and the likes of Albino, blue, absynth, and zebra etc are just "me too" synths that do nothing for me whatsoever. Do i have a right to an opinion guys.
I will be buying an iMac when they release a quad core version with memory controllor on chip which will be on the market toward the end of this year.
I have decided i will be buying DP6, and then add a few well chosen softsynths that sound like their hardware equivalents. Just wanted to let you know. in the mean time, i still stand by my ears, and think that Everb sounds fantastic for an artificial digital reverb.