Im loving the 828 Mk3 and particularly the Cue mix monitoring effects.
I gather that the signal chain is:
From inputs directly into your host software (in my case Sonar 7) and also into mixes (if you unmute that input in the mixer pane).
I gather that you can send and receive to the effects from any of the 3 stages - input, mixes and outputs.
Am I correct in assuming that the input tab in Cue mix then goes directly into your host software and then re-emerge at the outputs - so that if you insert a reverb send on the input and return on the output that the recorded signal also registers the reverb?
It gets confusing particularly when I add input monitoring in my host software as well.
I want to record with the LA2A and dynamics but when I check the recorded signal its completely dry with none of what Ive selected in Cuemix.
Do I need to re-route the output back to an input to record the cue mix effects.
Manual doesn't seem to cover this clearly..
Help?
ab
Recording with the cue mix effects - host app. audio path?
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Recording with the cue mix effects - host app. audio path?
Andrew A Block
Q9550 PC, XP SP2, 4GbRAM, 828 Mk3, Tascam US428 controller, Sonar 7, Waves plug-ins, Alesis MkII studio monitors, 3 LCD's, Joe Meek preamp, NI GR3 & B4, Morphology, Kontakt, lots of mics, Martin M16 acoustic.
Q9550 PC, XP SP2, 4GbRAM, 828 Mk3, Tascam US428 controller, Sonar 7, Waves plug-ins, Alesis MkII studio monitors, 3 LCD's, Joe Meek preamp, NI GR3 & B4, Morphology, Kontakt, lots of mics, Martin M16 acoustic.
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pcournoyer
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This is my understanding of the 828mk3 so far...
If you apply the Dynamics / EQ to the input, then it will get recorded in your DAW since these are basically "insert effects". Do not forget to enable the effect (dynamics and / or EQ) in each channel strip of the inputs you want to process.
The send / return is only for the reverb as there is a single reverb processor in the 828mk3. If you send from the input and return to the output, then you will record in your DAW the inputs without the reverb. You could loopback some signals using ADAT to bring them back as inputs with the reverb added along the way either at the mix or output level. Alternatively, you can use the Reverb Return Bus to record the reverb unit output in your DAW where you can freely mix it with the other tracks.
If you apply the Dynamics / EQ to the input, then it will get recorded in your DAW since these are basically "insert effects". Do not forget to enable the effect (dynamics and / or EQ) in each channel strip of the inputs you want to process.
The send / return is only for the reverb as there is a single reverb processor in the 828mk3. If you send from the input and return to the output, then you will record in your DAW the inputs without the reverb. You could loopback some signals using ADAT to bring them back as inputs with the reverb added along the way either at the mix or output level. Alternatively, you can use the Reverb Return Bus to record the reverb unit output in your DAW where you can freely mix it with the other tracks.
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pcournoyer
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The input channels from the 828mk3 are sent to the computer where they can be recorded. Since there is no reverb return on the input channels, then the output of the global reverb unit is not recorded.
It is very similar to a standard mixer where the channels only have aux / effect send to some outboard effect unit and the effect return is typically sent to the main or monitor output. If you were to record the output of a single channel, there would be no effect on it.
There are 2 different ways to record the 828mk3 global reverb unit output.
1) Record the Reverb Return signals into a separate track in your DAW. This track will only contain the output of the reverb unit such that it leaves more flexibility for later mixing. You can later choose to mix only you dry input tracks or mix them with the reverb return track.
2) Your live output does contain the reverb mixed with your input either at the mix or ouput stage in the 828mk3. You can send your mix first to some ADAT output channels in order to add the reverb and using a loopback cable bring this back to ADAT inputs. From there, you can record these ADAT inputs which will have the mix with the reverb and use a second mix to send your signal to an analog output for your normal setup.
The advantage here is that you record your live mix as it sounds but you loose the flexibility to later play with the dry/reverb mix in your DAW.
Mind your, depending on how many inputs / outputs you need, you can do both at the same time and choose later...
Hope this helps...It is unfortunate that MOTU did not put a routing diagram in their otherwise fine manual. Typically in a mixing console, the manual has a schematic at the end which is very nice to understand / visualise the routing capabilities of a product.
It is very similar to a standard mixer where the channels only have aux / effect send to some outboard effect unit and the effect return is typically sent to the main or monitor output. If you were to record the output of a single channel, there would be no effect on it.
There are 2 different ways to record the 828mk3 global reverb unit output.
1) Record the Reverb Return signals into a separate track in your DAW. This track will only contain the output of the reverb unit such that it leaves more flexibility for later mixing. You can later choose to mix only you dry input tracks or mix them with the reverb return track.
2) Your live output does contain the reverb mixed with your input either at the mix or ouput stage in the 828mk3. You can send your mix first to some ADAT output channels in order to add the reverb and using a loopback cable bring this back to ADAT inputs. From there, you can record these ADAT inputs which will have the mix with the reverb and use a second mix to send your signal to an analog output for your normal setup.
The advantage here is that you record your live mix as it sounds but you loose the flexibility to later play with the dry/reverb mix in your DAW.
Mind your, depending on how many inputs / outputs you need, you can do both at the same time and choose later...
Hope this helps...It is unfortunate that MOTU did not put a routing diagram in their otherwise fine manual. Typically in a mixing console, the manual has a schematic at the end which is very nice to understand / visualise the routing capabilities of a product.
Hi pcournoyer.
I agree completely with what youve said.
I have had a go at a schematic - and I will post on the yahoo site referred to earlier as a starting point - feel free to edit/amend. Yet another email address!
On balance - the reverb is a reverb is a reverb - I am preferring to do the reverb in the DAW as a mastering and spatial imaging step fairly late in the project. I prefer to do them all by bus ie input channel to output/monitor (in the DAW) and then send from them to a reverb bus that receives inputs from other instruments and goes to the output, too.
This gives a nice dry/wet mixing, that is variable by channel by using send gain.
Think about your ears hearing a sound - you will always hear the dry sound first and the reverb behind it giving it a spacial position relative to the listener.
The benefit of the reverb (and a nice one to boot) on the MOTU is for performer engagement with their own sound - and this, in my opinion, is even more important for dynamics.
ab
I agree completely with what youve said.
I have had a go at a schematic - and I will post on the yahoo site referred to earlier as a starting point - feel free to edit/amend. Yet another email address!
On balance - the reverb is a reverb is a reverb - I am preferring to do the reverb in the DAW as a mastering and spatial imaging step fairly late in the project. I prefer to do them all by bus ie input channel to output/monitor (in the DAW) and then send from them to a reverb bus that receives inputs from other instruments and goes to the output, too.
This gives a nice dry/wet mixing, that is variable by channel by using send gain.
Think about your ears hearing a sound - you will always hear the dry sound first and the reverb behind it giving it a spacial position relative to the listener.
The benefit of the reverb (and a nice one to boot) on the MOTU is for performer engagement with their own sound - and this, in my opinion, is even more important for dynamics.
ab
Andrew A Block
Q9550 PC, XP SP2, 4GbRAM, 828 Mk3, Tascam US428 controller, Sonar 7, Waves plug-ins, Alesis MkII studio monitors, 3 LCD's, Joe Meek preamp, NI GR3 & B4, Morphology, Kontakt, lots of mics, Martin M16 acoustic.
Q9550 PC, XP SP2, 4GbRAM, 828 Mk3, Tascam US428 controller, Sonar 7, Waves plug-ins, Alesis MkII studio monitors, 3 LCD's, Joe Meek preamp, NI GR3 & B4, Morphology, Kontakt, lots of mics, Martin M16 acoustic.
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sustainiac
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For those who missed it -
Join and upload any 828 MK3 related stuff ( Block diagrams, Routing ideas, FX examples, share Cuemix FX Hardware Presets ( think of these as 828MK3 "user FX programs" ) upload them to the Files area at the new Yahoo MOTU 828MK3 User Group:
http://tinyurl.com/3lwp8b
This exists as a User created data bucket for useful User generated 828 MK3 files. With all the Comps, Limiters,. and reverbs built in to the 828MK3 - it makes sense for users to have a place on the web to share actual FX presets that work for specific situations.
Join and upload any 828 MK3 related stuff ( Block diagrams, Routing ideas, FX examples, share Cuemix FX Hardware Presets ( think of these as 828MK3 "user FX programs" ) upload them to the Files area at the new Yahoo MOTU 828MK3 User Group:
http://tinyurl.com/3lwp8b
This exists as a User created data bucket for useful User generated 828 MK3 files. With all the Comps, Limiters,. and reverbs built in to the 828MK3 - it makes sense for users to have a place on the web to share actual FX presets that work for specific situations.