WISH LIST FOR DP7 !!!

hellcat · Post by **hellcat** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:47 am

Yes, I know I'm jumping the gun here. My lord, we haven't even gotten to see much less feel DP6 yet! But I'm a dreamer. Call me a deluded visionary if you will (others have!). Seeing the new features of DP6 has left me....well...excuse me for seeming greedy....but wanting more!
Insatiable audio harlot that I am, I beg you all to consider the following.

Wouldn't DP be absolutely fantastic IF they had a whole production environment included -- really raising the bar for their competitors to follow? DP6 will have the ability to burn CD's. But honestly, that's something I thought they should have done a long, long time ago. What I really want to see now is that they include a full mastering package (yes, if I may be so bold and gluttonous) .... one which has the full abilities of PEAK PRO with all the bells and whistles.... imagine sending your tracks to your mastering all within the same environment, in that safe, slick and well-honed DP style. The mere thought of it gives me wet MIDI dreams (that's REVERB-wet, mind you)! (Sorry James, I know you think I have a potty-mouth and you may be right...but ah's just so damned enthusiastic about DP!!!)

Yes, give me limiters galore, give me compression and hot shot EQing, but baby, you want really have me until the Mastering is in place!

(Please, your turn, Monkey Man!)

la peste · Post by **la peste** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:21 am

I had a dream :

- a MIDI learn function...

- the possibility to cross modulate the parameters of different plug-ins between them, with the ability to write mathematical functions (for example : once the cut-off of this filter is triggered, then 2 sec later, when it is fully opened, the mix is sent into some reverb, whilst the volume of another track is reduced proportionnaly to the actual volume of the first track and some semi-random notes are played in a third track, etc...)

- opened to VST 3 ?

- as said above, some real mastering environment, including a noise reduction feature, similar to Bias' soundsoap pro

- a convenient harmonizer included ?

- a 64 bits mode, at least for eventual, post-per track possible processing, summing

frankymax · Post by **frankymax** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:38 am

I've said it before & I'll say it again... grace notes in Quickscribe.

What I mean by this is that when you're trying to look at notation in Quickscribe there are many occasions where a grace note or group of grace notes are played and are rendered as 64th or 128th notes or an ugly cluster in Quickscribe. What I'd like to be able to do is to select that note(s) and go to the mini-menu and select turn to grace notes where they would line up in order of which was played first, reduce the notehead size (i.e. a grace note) and straighten the rhythm out of the remainder of the phrase, which is usually obscured by the 128th notes or clusters (which should be grace notes). My thought is it would work much like the "switch staves" feature, which I love.

This doesn't seem (to me) that it would be that hard to implement. I have been asking for this since DP3 and I even sent tech support a petition signed by over 50 DP users in Los Angeles area a few years ago asking for this but still MOTU has not added this feature. It would help MIDI file transcription enormously. So if MOTU does read this forum, please add this feature and make me happy to be a loyal DP user (since 1985, I think... geez I'm getting old!!)

robcollins · Post by **robcollins** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:02 am

I'm only writing this because it's pretty safe to say DP6 won't do this...

I would like to see integrated sample playback from the tracks window.
Imagine clicking on the "delfault patch" box and viewing and streaming or loading in to RAM Akai / Emu ect sound libraries without leaving DP. Taking it further - maybe incorporating Mach 5 (with sampling) and MX4 into DP. - a complete all-in-one workstation a bit like a Synclavier (not that I've ever used one, or likely to!)

Splinter · Post by **Splinter** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:01 am

This is the first update in a long time where it seems DP is just trying to catch up instead of being the innovator. Yes, we're all excited about "new" features because they are much needed, but there's nothing groundbreaking here; WAV and AIFF support, Track comping, a decent reverb and compressor, better CPU efficiency, CD burning... while all very welcome, it's all been done before.

I would hope DP would be setting the bar once again, but for now it seems the tables have turned. And there are still many features that need fixed or improved. I hope MOTU addressed these too.

Add to the wishlist: Improved Beat Detection
The ability to filter out subdivisions and musically define (like quantizing) the resolution of the Beat Detection (i.e. only find eight notes). This would take the BDE to a whole new level and eliminate the countless hours of manually defining or turning off every freaking note. The BDE in its current state is basically worthless. Finding transients is helpful, but without the ability to determine which transients are significant and useful I'm better off defining only the useful beats with the Adjust beats feature.

mike_o · Post by **mike_o** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:07 pm

small, but useful, I would like to be able to see all MIDI controller values in the graphic editor, like when you click on your patch names the whole list pops up, make complete controller lists appear in the strip chart at the bottom of the graphic editor, as it is now you get that little box with 6 or 7 controllers listed and a box where you can type in a controller #, the problems being #1, soft synths are a nightmare to try and draw a quick simple filter sweep in this manner, #2 my virus rack has about 80 active controls, Ido not remember the numbers of each one, and #3, in 1999 when I first started learning about music production I learned a program called studio vision pro, in this software you could write your list once, set it to default for that instrument, and done, on any and every MIDI track I made I could just click>see controller #40 is filter one>click #40>draw filter sweeps however I felt>DONE. so simple and thoughtful, why no simple and thoughtful features like that in DP

. seriously, there are many, but they (and everyone else) seem to overlook the simple usefulness of that info in that screen, full complete 0-127 activity listings for hardware and software.

and make all the included instrument and fx plugins reverse engineered to au and vst available formats for use with novations automapping and other control surfaces. enough with the motu audio systems ego trip, the entire world is down with vst & au, either reverse engineer the plugins for better use, or evolve MAS to work with a lot of controllers directly.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:12 pm

Good Gosh! I'm moving this to off-topic. For Pete's sake? a DP 7 wish list???

Eleventh Hour Sound · Post by **Eleventh Hour Sound** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:13 pm

How 'bout a "eDrum Kit Learn" function, so you could teach DP which MIDI notes go to which kit piece. For example, tell DP here comes HiHats and then play the eDrum HiHat so that all the note numbers triggered by all the variations are all under a HiHat category...

Matcher · Post by **Matcher** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:12 pm

Right click.

hellcat · Post by **hellcat** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:50 am

James,
I don't know why you moved this to an "off topic", because it really isn't. I mean, I injected a little irony, but the comments after mine (and mine!) are something MOTU should think about. I assume someone from their company reads this? I hope so.

The items mentioned in this posting are things that really should have been included in DP long ago, and I think there are users of DP who ... well, were kind of disappointed by the forthcoming version. Therefore, seeing they have neglected to include more earth-shaking features, or even fixes to problems long established, maybe the relevance of my irony is case in point.

BobK · Post by **BobK** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:19 am

I'm with James on this one. Maybe if the thread subject was 'feature requests', it might have been more constructive and less provocative.

Personally, I imagine it's more helpful when people list one or two related feature requests per topic and take a poll to gauge the level of interest. That focus might help get the message across to MOTU more effectively.

And I think the most important thing you can do is email the feature requests to MOTU via the link at their web site.

My $0.02 worth.

frankymax · Post by **frankymax** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:44 am

BobK wrote:
And I think the most important thing you can do is email the feature requests to MOTU via the link at their web site.

Well Bob, I did send MOTU several emails over the years about my quickscribe grace note issue including as I said above a petition of over 50 DP users in Los Angeles who want a grace note feature. I have NEVER gotten a response. The closest I got was 3-4 years ago at the NAMM show when they had upgraded quickscribe and one of the programmers was there talking about the enhancements. I talked to him one on one after the presentation and he told me that he had been pushing for a grace note feature but the "powers that be" didn't think it was important enough to address; that's when I took the initiative (on his suggestion) to create an email with a list of users who also wanted this feature. I did that and it seemed to go nowhere. It was a significant amount of work to contact all those people and put together that list and I never even got a response from MOTU. Maybe I should have followed up more intensely but you know, I have to work, too, so I guess it fell thru the cracks. Never the less, when people here say we shouldn't vent at Unicornation about problems or issues that MOTU has ignored, I wonder what the point of this forum is. And having this thread placed in the off-topic category is rather insulting to me, as it seems to trivialize my suggestion.

BobK · Post by **BobK** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:19 am

frankymax wrote:When people here say we shouldn't vent at Unicornation about problems or issues that MOTU has ignored, I wonder what the point of this forum is. And having this thread placed in the off-topic category is rather insulting to me, as it seems to trivialize my suggestion.

I didn't say anyone shouldn't vent. I understand your frustration, and I'm sorry to hear that MOTU was unresponsive to your efforts. Unfortunately, that does seem consistent with their overall behavior, though to be fair I doubt Digidesign or Apple or any major software developer would be any better.

As James has made clear, the main focus of the DP forum is how to use DP - troubleshooting, tips, stuff like that. Seems to me he tries to be flexible and allow some latitude, but when things veer too far from that focus, it makes sense to me that he moves them here. And since he runs this, it's his call.

Again, my personal take is that the subject line of the thread was unnecessarily provocative. If I were working at MOTU, still putting the finishing touches on DP 6 - which hasn't even been announced to the public yet - and saw that subject line, I'd likely be annoyed, and maybe even ignore it. If it said 'feature requests', I'd be more likely to take it seriously.

frankymax · Post by **frankymax** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:48 am

well, if you guys can't find a bit of humor in the topic title "Wishlist for DP7" then I guess this is a pretty serious user board (although I doubt that by some of the posts by Monkey man!!). I guess calling this "future feature requests" would have had more gravitas, but I found the topic title funny, especially in light of how frustrated I have been in the past with MOTU's non-response to my requests. (If I can't laugh, I'll cry!)

Don't get me wrong: DP is my program of choice for over 20 years. I think you can say I'm a dedicated MOTU user and have spent many thousands of dollars over the years on their wonderful products and have enjoyed much music making with them. I guess I just hoped this particular topic could have seen more "light of day" on the more viewed DP forum thread, not the off-topic thread. But it's James' board- he can take the topics and move them where he wants.

hellcat · Post by **hellcat** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:53 pm

Thanks frankymax, you got the irony. Weird that a few people here didn't, but there you go. Perhaps a few of our fellow friends here have been working too hard...late nights in the studio.

Didn't mean to open a can of worms, just be a bit ironic, that's all!

Even though I love DP (yes, I even say "I love you DP" occasionally while using it!), there are a few upgrade issues I think MOTU needs to address. The rate of competition is furious, and Logic is giving its users MUCH more than DP is these days..... and I for one, prefer DP to Logic. I just think that DP needs to have a bit more practical features, and those items in DP6 which were announced were kind of ....well, obvious. I just hope that the final release will indeed offer more than they've hinted at.