"An error occurred while reading the disk. The file "song title" was not loaded. ID 102"
This is the message I got when the song I was working on suddenly closed and would not reopen. I opened it from my external hard drive and continued - lucky it happened early in the session; I had only added one vocal track, which I lost of course.
I started this song a week or so ago and have changed nothing since. OS 10.4.9 DP 5.1.1 Mac 2.3 dual processor G5
It makes me very nervous. I always save after every bit of recording but now I think I have to start backing to an external HD DURING a session. I used to just save while recording and back up to an external HD after a session. Wow!
Any ideas - thanks.
carl
Error ID 102
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Error code 102 says "system is too old for the ROM". In Apple geek code, it's "dsOldSystem".
I suspect that it could be G5. I would check the firmware version in "About This Mac" and compare it to what's available from Apple's downloads.
If you've updated your system software using Software Update, I would recommend downloading the COMBO version of 10.4.9 for PPC from Apple's site and installing that. I would do this anyway for the same version of OSX-- gets rid of a lot of dust bunnies. If there is an Options button available at the bottom of the installer window, click it and choose Archive and Install. This will preserve your user settings (passwords, bookmarks, etc.).
Error 102 has cropped up on dual boot systems where an earlier version of OSX is being used or even with an OS9 boot partition installed.
MacFixit had an article about Dantz Retrospect triggering a 102 error, but that's a subscription site (which I've not joined) and I can't get to the article. This may be moot anyway, but it could indicate that some other software is still on your computer that needs to be updated-- for example, and older version of TechTool or DiskWarriror which have repaired your drive(s) under an earlier version of OSX.
These are just guesses, but perhaps they're worthy starting points.
I suspect that it could be G5. I would check the firmware version in "About This Mac" and compare it to what's available from Apple's downloads.
If you've updated your system software using Software Update, I would recommend downloading the COMBO version of 10.4.9 for PPC from Apple's site and installing that. I would do this anyway for the same version of OSX-- gets rid of a lot of dust bunnies. If there is an Options button available at the bottom of the installer window, click it and choose Archive and Install. This will preserve your user settings (passwords, bookmarks, etc.).
Error 102 has cropped up on dual boot systems where an earlier version of OSX is being used or even with an OS9 boot partition installed.
MacFixit had an article about Dantz Retrospect triggering a 102 error, but that's a subscription site (which I've not joined) and I can't get to the article. This may be moot anyway, but it could indicate that some other software is still on your computer that needs to be updated-- for example, and older version of TechTool or DiskWarriror which have repaired your drive(s) under an earlier version of OSX.
These are just guesses, but perhaps they're worthy starting points.
6,1 MacPro, 96GB RAM, macOS Monterey 12.7.6, DP 11.33
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C E Barry
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Thanks, Frodo. Before I asked the question I did do a search and saw that ID 102 meant "system is too old for the ROM", but couldn't see how this would apply in my case. I recently upgraded from OS 10.4.8 to 10.4.9 when I got a few new virtual instruments, otherwise things are the same as they have been for ages. I will follow your directions. Thanks again.
carl
carl
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C E Barry
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I had the OS updated from 10.4.8 to 10.4.9 recently in Toronto and bought some VIs. They could not hook up to ethernet (something messed up in my computer's ethernet connection) so they downloaded from another computer and put 10.4.9 on a disk for my computer so - long way of saying - they must have used the COMBO PPC version for OS 10.4.9
Having said that - would it be advisable for me to update from OS 10.4.9 to 10.4.11? I should also upgrade from in the near future from DP 5.1.1 to DP 5.1.3 because I've read that this is very stable. The reason I didn't do this is that up until now things have been very stable and I didn't want to rock the boat.
I am still on dial up here so I usually get things done in Toronto when I buy stuff which us usually once a year.
Thanks,
carl
Having said that - would it be advisable for me to update from OS 10.4.9 to 10.4.11? I should also upgrade from in the near future from DP 5.1.1 to DP 5.1.3 because I've read that this is very stable. The reason I didn't do this is that up until now things have been very stable and I didn't want to rock the boat.
I am still on dial up here so I usually get things done in Toronto when I buy stuff which us usually once a year.
Thanks,
carl
Hey Carl:
I would wait on updating DP until I could get to the bottom of the error 102 issue.
Is your computer still under Apple Care? If so, try giving them a call and explain the problem to them. I know that Apple charges for phone help with no warranty, but it depends on how you want to handle it... Apple Care ($$) or genius bar (free + the cost of gas to get there)...
If you choose to go to a Genius Bar at an Apple Store, here's what I'd recommend (short of taking in your computer):
Save a file of your System Profiler info...
The easiest way to do this would be to open "About This Mac" and click "More Info".
Then, go to the file menu and save or save as (name of your choice). If you can reproduce the symptom that brings up the error code, take a snapshot of it (SHIFT-APPLE-3). It will show up on your desktop as "Pic 1" or "Pic 2" or "Pic" plus some number, depending upon how many other pics you already have on your desktop. Rename it, if you want.
Make any notes (using TextEdit, for example) about what other symptoms you've observed and what you were doing at the time when the error code appeared. The more detail the better.
Save the System Info, the screen grabs, and your TextEdit notes to a CD ROM and take that to an Apple Store genius bar.
As for which version of OSX Update was downloaded and given to you-- it wouldn't *necessarily* be the COMBO version. Apple also posts the DELTA version for download, which is the same that is used by Software Update. The Delta version is almost half the size of the COMBO version.
Another thought-- not sure about this though, is that there may be versions for PPC and Intel. I wouldn't think it would be possible to confuse these two since a G5 "might" disallow installation of an Intel version. If the file was UB, then this entire paragraph should be ignored. There *is* something out of the ordinary going on, however.
But again, there may also be a firmware update that you might have missed over the years. This is different than an OSX system update.
Check this page:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ ... pdate.html
I've found only one firmware update for the G5. It might be worth installing even if you're not sure what firmware you already have -- and it's only 1.3 MB, so it should be a fairly painless download even with dial-up.
As always, repair permissions and if you have Disc Warrior (version 4.x recommended), run that as well.
I would wait on updating DP until I could get to the bottom of the error 102 issue.
Is your computer still under Apple Care? If so, try giving them a call and explain the problem to them. I know that Apple charges for phone help with no warranty, but it depends on how you want to handle it... Apple Care ($$) or genius bar (free + the cost of gas to get there)...
If you choose to go to a Genius Bar at an Apple Store, here's what I'd recommend (short of taking in your computer):
Save a file of your System Profiler info...
The easiest way to do this would be to open "About This Mac" and click "More Info".
Then, go to the file menu and save or save as (name of your choice). If you can reproduce the symptom that brings up the error code, take a snapshot of it (SHIFT-APPLE-3). It will show up on your desktop as "Pic 1" or "Pic 2" or "Pic" plus some number, depending upon how many other pics you already have on your desktop. Rename it, if you want.
Make any notes (using TextEdit, for example) about what other symptoms you've observed and what you were doing at the time when the error code appeared. The more detail the better.
Save the System Info, the screen grabs, and your TextEdit notes to a CD ROM and take that to an Apple Store genius bar.
As for which version of OSX Update was downloaded and given to you-- it wouldn't *necessarily* be the COMBO version. Apple also posts the DELTA version for download, which is the same that is used by Software Update. The Delta version is almost half the size of the COMBO version.
Another thought-- not sure about this though, is that there may be versions for PPC and Intel. I wouldn't think it would be possible to confuse these two since a G5 "might" disallow installation of an Intel version. If the file was UB, then this entire paragraph should be ignored. There *is* something out of the ordinary going on, however.
But again, there may also be a firmware update that you might have missed over the years. This is different than an OSX system update.
Check this page:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ ... pdate.html
I've found only one firmware update for the G5. It might be worth installing even if you're not sure what firmware you already have -- and it's only 1.3 MB, so it should be a fairly painless download even with dial-up.
As always, repair permissions and if you have Disc Warrior (version 4.x recommended), run that as well.
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C E Barry
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I have not had the ID 102 problem since. I did not update to DP 5.1.3 - I'm still at Dp 5.1.1 I did upgrade to OS 10.4.11 and I did install and run Disk Warrior and Cocktail. I did get the latest version of Auto-tune 5. I had some instances of Auto-tune 4 on my system which I deleted and I deleted a virtual instrument called Charlie which I couldn't use anyway because it didn't work with the OS. I had help with this since I am next to useless when it comes to computers but as I said I have not had the ID 102 problem since. And I owe it all to Frodo who is tirelessly helpful. I get the odd crash but so far I can get back into the song and repair permissions and carry on. I leave my external hard drive icon on the desktop and every once in awhile during a session I back up to the external HD then go back to the song and work on it from my internal HD. That way if I ever get an ID - 102 error again, I will have the external back up. These are my experiences anyway.
carl
carl